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Old 05-21-2011, 08:22 PM
 
Location: Hinckley Ohio
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while you're locking up those people don't forget to add the 150 weapons and 8,000 rounds of ammo.

Let's not forget, that ATF had information that the compound took deliveries of inert grenade casings, and black powder and semi automatic weapon and the neighbors had reported hearing automatic weapon fire from the compound.
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For some reason or another I was thinking about the Waco Siege earlier today. I mean on the one hand David Koresh and his posse were nothing, if not religious weirdos and cultists, but that hardly justifies locking a bunch of women and children in a church, pumping it full of teargas, and burning it to the ground. I mean grenade launchers, snipers, armored vehicles, really? Shooting women and children dead? I know there were unsubstantiated rumors that the children were being molested,
i think you got your stand offs confused, this was about the Davidians possibly converting legal weapons to illegal weapons, I don't recall this being a "social service call"
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but even so, the government response was anything but appropriate. I think we all know the real reason for the Waco Siege... law-abiding Christian white men with guns, the biggest threat to liberal tyranny.

Not gangbangers, not illegal aliens, not drug mules, not Islamic terrorists, but armed white men. When does the government ever ambush gangbangers, illegal aliens, drug mules, or Islamic terrorists the way they ambushed the Davidians at the Mount Carmel Center? Mass murders and terrorists are treated way better than the Davidians were at Waco. The Waco Siege makes the slaying of Osama bin Laden look like child's play.


Let me put it another way, in terms of a hypothetical situation.

Let's say for instance, under George Bush, the FBI locked a bunch of Muslim women and children in a mosque, pumped it full of poison gas, burned it to the ground, and of course if any of the Muslim children attempted to escape, they were picked off by snipers. Don't you think if that happened, liberals would be demanding that George Bush be publicly executed?

Moreover liberals blamed 9/11 on our own government for inciting Islamic hatred towards the U.S. Well by that logic, wouldn't the government under Bill Clinton be responsible for the Oklahoma City Bombing, since they incited Timothy McVeigh with the siege at Waco?
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Old 05-21-2011, 08:35 PM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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How about how it all went down, when it went down?
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Old 05-21-2011, 08:47 PM
 
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For some reason or another I was thinking about the Waco Siege earlier today. I mean on the one hand David Koresh and his posse were nothing, if not religious weirdos and cultists, but that hardly justifies locking a bunch of women and children in a church, pumping it full of teargas, and burning it to the ground. I mean grenade launchers, snipers, armored vehicles, really? Shooting women and children dead? I know there were unsubstantiated rumors that the children were being molested, but even so, the government response was anything but appropriate. I think we all know the real reason for the Waco Siege... law-abiding Christian white men with guns, the biggest threat to liberal tyranny.

Not gangbangers, not illegal aliens, not drug mules, not Islamic terrorists, but armed white men. When does the government ever ambush gangbangers, illegal aliens, drug mules, or Islamic terrorists the way they ambushed the Davidians at the Mount Carmel Center? Mass murders and terrorists are treated way better than the Davidians were at Waco. The Waco Siege makes the slaying of Osama bin Laden look like child's play.


Let me put it another way, in terms of a hypothetical situation.

Let's say for instance, under George Bush, the FBI locked a bunch of Muslim women and children in a mosque, pumped it full of poison gas, burned it to the ground, and of course if any of the Muslim children attempted to escape, they were picked off by snipers. Don't you think if that happened, liberals would be demanding that George Bush be publicly executed?

Moreover liberals blamed 9/11 on our own government for inciting Islamic hatred towards the U.S. Well by that logic, wouldn't the government under Bill Clinton be responsible for the Oklahoma City Bombing, since they incited Timothy McVeigh with the siege at Waco?

Killing anyone percieved as a political threat or enemy is okay among the left. Killing women and children at Ruby Ridge was perfectly acceptable to the left as well. After all, these are just the "little people" in "fly over" areas and their human rights don't make any difference at wine and cheese parties in New York and LA.
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Old 05-21-2011, 10:07 PM
 
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Default How in the world did Bill Clinton, Janet Reno and Co. ever get away with the siege at Waco?

It was the largest direct assault on the First Amendment, ever!

Gee, where was the ACLU?

That's the only amendment they really like.
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Old 05-21-2011, 10:10 PM
 
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Moreover liberals blamed 9/11 on our own government for inciting Islamic hatred towards the U.S.
If you really think that the majority of liberals blamed our own government for 9/11, then you need to get out into the real world and meet some real liberals. You sound paranoid.
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Old 05-21-2011, 10:11 PM
 
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Killing anyone percieved as a political threat or enemy is okay among the left. Killing women and children at Ruby Ridge was perfectly acceptable to the left as well. After all, these are just the "little people" in "fly over" areas and their human rights don't make any difference at wine and cheese parties in New York and LA.
If that's really what you believe, then you need to get out and meet some real-life liberals too.
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Old 05-21-2011, 10:41 PM
 
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Because Reno controlled the justice deptment. I flocal police had done that for a firerams warrent and came up with that excuse they would be in prison. Not only that but the woman kiiled by the same bunch at Ruby ridge another firearm violation. Both went to town quite often and in fact that is where they did the sting to get the warrants with both.Like the miami shootout which most police agencies teach as a class on what not to do in felony stop ;they were really assaults that got alot of people killed .
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Old 05-21-2011, 11:39 PM
 
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Why do right-wing anti-government types want to protect criminals?
Its not that we want to protect criminals, we just don't want to burn children.

Crazy, huh.
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Old 05-21-2011, 11:43 PM
 
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Because they are socialists/progressive/Democrats.
The press never holds Democrat's feet to the fire or responsible for anything because they have the same political beliefs as he Liberals.
Great example for you would be the other day when Obama threw Jews and Israel under the bus and the press the next day talked about what a great speech Obama made. In fact he made the worst foreign policy move in the world, but they covered for him.

The press covered for Clinton, Reno and company, that is how.
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Old 05-22-2011, 12:05 AM
 
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It's interesting, with liberals pouring water on a terrorists face = TORTURE

Pumping explosive poison gas into a church full of women, children, and babies = OKAY
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