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Old 05-24-2011, 12:07 PM
 
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Shift them to county and tent prisons.
Also the court refused to take into evidence changes made over the last bunches of years. They went by very old information for their ruling. Kind of a bad way to go IMO.

Put many in the yards of these Justices that were for it.
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Old 05-24-2011, 02:51 PM
 
Location: Georgia, on the Florida line, right above Tallahassee
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Shift them to county and tent prisons.
Also the court refused to take into evidence changes made over the last bunches of years. They went by very old information for their ruling. Kind of a bad way to go IMO.

Put many in the yards of these Justices that were for it.
And that will give them better medical care? That's what the ruling was about, I believe.....people dying due to lack of care..
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Old 05-24-2011, 06:50 PM
 
Location: Undisclosed Bunker
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I'm sure CA would be quite safe with half as many cops as they now have. They just need to quit prosecuting people for drug crimes and prostitution.

It should be easy to release 40,000 or more convicts. Start with all of the non violent drug convicts....

Easy? Do you think all 40 thousand are going to find jobs in this economy? Do you think they will starve peacefully?
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Old 05-24-2011, 06:54 PM
 
Location: Portland, OR
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Well, it appears YOUR WRONG..............

When federal courts made Philadelphia release thousands of inmates in the 1990s, police re-arrested thousands over 18 months, resulting in 1,113 assault charges, 90 rape charges and 79 murder charges.

SCOTUS approves Ninth Circuit prisoner-overcrowding order

Amazing what a little research will do.....
Crime rates have never been lower. Rape rates are half 1990's levels. Sure if you release 40,000 felons crime rates are going to rise... fractionally. But, since 60% of them should not have been incarcerated in the first place. But... the real point is: California cannot effectively incarcerate these people. What part of that escapes you? I've been to California and effectively manage its inmate population isn't the only thing California can't seem to accomplish. Just saying.

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Old 05-24-2011, 09:27 PM
 
Location: Earth
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An easy solution - a drug amnesty. That will result in more than enough room in the prisons.
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Old 05-25-2011, 06:34 AM
 
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Crime rates have never been lower. Rape rates are half 1990's levels. Sure if you release 40,000 felons crime rates are going to rise... fractionally. But, since 60% of them should not have been incarcerated in the first place. But... the real point is: California cannot effectively incarcerate these people. What part of that escapes you? I've been to California and effectively manage its inmate population isn't the only thing California can't seem to accomplish. Just saying.

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So, you agree that the crime rate will go up and tht is O.K. with you, evern fractionally?

Please provide your 60% "should not have been incarcerated" anyway link...

You did read the article I provided right? I really don't care if they (California) are unable to effectively house all the prisoners.....so the solution is "just release them" even though this has been proven to become a bad situation? What part of that escapes you?
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Old 05-25-2011, 07:28 AM
 
Location: Dallas
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Well, it appears YOUR WRONG..............

When federal courts made Philadelphia release thousands of inmates in the 1990s, police re-arrested thousands over 18 months, resulting in 1,113 assault charges, 90 rape charges and 79 murder charges.

SCOTUS approves Ninth Circuit prisoner-overcrowding order

Amazing what a little research will do.....

But that happens all the time, whether they are released early or not.

There is no proof that the early release increased crime. It may have shifted the time when some crimes are committed.
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Old 05-25-2011, 07:31 AM
 
Location: Dallas
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Well, it appears YOUR WRONG..............

When federal courts made Philadelphia release thousands of inmates in the 1990s, police re-arrested thousands over 18 months, resulting in 1,113 assault charges, 90 rape charges and 79 murder charges.

SCOTUS approves Ninth Circuit prisoner-overcrowding order

Amazing what a little research will do.....

And by the way, do you have a link to some FACTS rather than an opinion?
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Old 05-25-2011, 07:35 AM
 
Location: Sango, TN
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WASHINGTON — The Supreme Court on Monday narrowly endorsed reducing California's cramped prison population by more than 30,000 inmates to fix sometimes deadly problems in medical care, ruling that federal judges retain enormous power to oversee troubled state prisons. The court's 5-4 decision means California may have to release tens of thousands of inmates or take other unprecedented steps to ease overcrowding in its prisons. The reduction is "required by the Constitution" to correct longstanding violations of inmates' rights to adequate care for their mental and physical health, the court said. In 2009, the state's prisons averaged nearly a death a week that might have been prevented or delayed with better medical care.
Calif. ordered to cut its inmate population* - US news - Crime & courts - msnbc.com
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America. Busting at the seams with criminals. ROFL. The order mandates a prison population of no more than 110,000 inmates, still far above the 80,000 the system was designed to hold. There were more than 143,000 inmates in California's 33 adult prisons as of May 11, so roughly 33,000 inmates will need to be transferred to other jurisdictions or released.

This article is from 2008.
1 in 100 U.S. Adults Behind Bars, New Study Says - New York Times
“While we certainly want to be smart about who we put into prisons,” Professor Cassell said, “it would be a mistake to think that we can release any significant number of prisoners without increasing crime rates. One out of every 100 adults is behind bars because one out of every 100 adults has committed a serious criminal offense.” "Like smoking weed, man. You know, herb?..PUFF PUFF TOKE TOKE? That s*** ain't no joke, bro!"

(.....I made that last part up, sorry....but that would've been hilarious.)

Ms. Urahn said the nation cannot afford the incarceration rate documented in the report. “We tend to be a country in which incarceration is an easy response to crime,” she said. “Being tough on crime is an easy position to take, particularly if you have the money. And we did have the money in the ‘80s and ‘90s.”
Most people are in jail for non violent drug offenses.

California is seeing the effects of a three strikes your out law.
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Old 05-25-2011, 07:35 AM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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WASHINGTON — The Supreme Court on Monday narrowly endorsed reducing California's cramped prison population by more than 30,000 inmates to fix sometimes deadly problems in medical care, ruling that federal judges retain enormous power to oversee troubled state prisons. The court's 5-4 decision means California may have to release tens of thousands of inmates or take other unprecedented steps to ease overcrowding in its prisons. The reduction is "required by the Constitution" to correct longstanding violations of inmates' rights to adequate care for their mental and physical health, the court said. In 2009, the state's prisons averaged nearly a death a week that might have been prevented or delayed with better medical care.
Calif. ordered to cut its inmate population* - US news - Crime & courts - msnbc.com
*********************************
America. Busting at the seams with criminals. ROFL. The order mandates a prison population of no more than 110,000 inmates, still far above the 80,000 the system was designed to hold. There were more than 143,000 inmates in California's 33 adult prisons as of May 11, so roughly 33,000 inmates will need to be transferred to other jurisdictions or released.

This article is from 2008.
1 in 100 U.S. Adults Behind Bars, New Study Says - New York Times
“While we certainly want to be smart about who we put into prisons,” Professor Cassell said, “it would be a mistake to think that we can release any significant number of prisoners without increasing crime rates. One out of every 100 adults is behind bars because one out of every 100 adults has committed a serious criminal offense.” "Like smoking weed, man. You know, herb?..PUFF PUFF TOKE TOKE? That s*** ain't no joke, bro!"

(.....I made that last part up, sorry....but that would've been hilarious.)

Ms. Urahn said the nation cannot afford the incarceration rate documented in the report. “We tend to be a country in which incarceration is an easy response to crime,” she said. “Being tough on crime is an easy position to take, particularly if you have the money. And we did have the money in the ‘80s and ‘90s.”



Kinda like my sister in Kansas.
She got in some big trouble and then got a dui.
She got a couple of years in the pen.

Only 9 months into her incarceration, they found out she had breast cancer. They let her out. She got treatment and her cancer in remission(no insurance). They came and got her a month after her last treatment and she served the rest of her time.
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