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View Poll Results: Federal Pay: Keep Frozen or Restart Traditional Automatic Raises?
Restart the traditional automatic step increases and Time-In-Grade increases 17 32.69%
Keep Federal Pay Frozen Until the Feds Are Paid Only Slightly More Than the Private Sector 34 65.38%
I don't care about this stuff. Its boring. Hey...how about that American Idol Finale? 1 1.92%
Voters: 52. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 05-26-2011, 09:40 AM
 
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Poll Results: Should the salaries of federal employees be frozen temporarily until they fall in line with private sector earning levels? - Washington Times

NationalJournal.com - In D.C., Pawlenty Calls for Federal Pay Cuts - Wednesday, May 25, 2011

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In a speech at the Cato Institute, Pawlenty advocated freezing one out of every two federal jobs lost to attrition and auditing workers’ compensation.
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Old 05-26-2011, 11:46 AM
 
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Freeze until the federal government has a balanced budget and the debt has been cut by 50%.
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Old 05-26-2011, 11:58 AM
 
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you're going to have to provide the data that shows federal employees salaries out of line with the private sector.
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Old 05-26-2011, 12:48 PM
 
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you're going to have to provide the data that shows federal employees salaries out of line with the private sector.
Okey-Dokey

Federal pay ahead of private industry - USATODAY.com (http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2010-03-04-federal-pay_N.htm - broken link)

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Federal employees earn higher average salaries than private-sector workers in more than eight out of 10 occupations, a USA TODAY analysis of federal data finds.
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Old 05-26-2011, 12:59 PM
 
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Okey-Dokey

Federal pay ahead of private industry - USATODAY.com (http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2010-03-04-federal-pay_N.htm - broken link)
indeed, i have seen that "study" before. It is about the quality of work you'd expect from USA Today.

it is a bunch of bull. Federal jobs are concentrated in high-cost DC, and therefore taking their average does not yield an apples to apples comparison with the private sector average, which is not concentrated in DC.

In order to make a valid comparison you'd have to normalize it based on location.
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Old 05-26-2011, 01:07 PM
 
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it is a bunch of bull. Federal jobs are concentrated in high-cost DC
Nice try...

Why Work for the Federal Government?

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85% of federal jobs are located outside of the Washington, DC area
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Old 05-26-2011, 01:09 PM
 
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that means 15% of them are in DC. That is a hell of a lot of jobs. DC has less than half of a percent of the US Population.

That means federal jobs are roughly 30 times more likely to be in DC, than somewhere else.

thank you for assisting me in proving this point.
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Old 05-26-2011, 03:21 PM
 
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that means 15% of them are in DC. That is a hell of a lot of jobs. DC has less than half of a percent of the US Population.

That means federal jobs are roughly 30 times more likely to be in DC, than somewhere else.

thank you for assisting me in proving this point.
Actually your "point" was totally incorrect.

DC Mythbusting: DC is a Company Town » We Love DC

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First off, even though it seems like the majority of jobs in the area are government jobs (especially on federal holidays when it seems like I’m the only person going to work), federal jobs account for only 27% of all the jobs in the city. There are less than 200,000 federal employees who work in the city, and around 234,000 federal employees in the whole DC area. So only one quarter of DC workers are working for the feds. That definitely doesn’t sound like a company town to me!
OOOPS!!

Nice try...again.
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Old 05-26-2011, 03:24 PM
 
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Easy solution to this problem. Contract out every single federal job to the private sector (except the military of course) and let the free market determine salaries. It works for every other industry on the planet.
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Old 05-26-2011, 03:29 PM
 
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Actually your "point" was totally incorrect.

DC Mythbusting: DC is a Company Town » We Love DC



OOOPS!!

Nice try...again.
if 15% of fed workers are in DC, and DC accounts for 1% of the country's population, that means that DC is 15x a 'government town' than the average US community.

Which doesn't necessarily mean that most employees in the city are government workers as you seem to suggest is required for it to be considered a 'government town'.

Also, many of those companies do government work, so directly or indirectly, DC is a gov't town (and a NGO one too, for that matter).

I vote yes for the pay freezes.
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