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Old 06-01-2011, 12:41 PM
 
Location: Las Vegas, NV
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Sure..for civil rights movements in the US. But other than that there's no need. The person should be learned about for his accomplishments in history.

And I agree that Harvey Milk was important.

But these celebration months do not do the same as having a page in a history book is all I was trying to get across.
And, of course, part of the purpose of the Pride month is to GET those pages added to the history texts. To make it known that these people are as important to this country and it's history as are George Washington and Abraham Lincoln.
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Old 06-01-2011, 12:41 PM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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And where did he say his ancestry didn't include heterosexuals? His point is that the history of this country also includes gays, lesbians, bis and trans people who are too often left out of the history books, despite the contributions they've made to this country.
Civil rights movements do have a place in history books.

But whether George Washington or Christopher Columbus were straight, gay or bisexual should not mean anything.

The more folks want to fixate on someone's sexual preference and the more it is shoved in the public's face, the more resentment you will get.

I imagine all civil rights movements go through this as they evolve and die down once laws are passed to protect their rights.
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Old 06-01-2011, 12:45 PM
 
Location: Hillsboro, OR
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Civil rights movements do have a place in history books.

But whether George Washington or Christopher Columbus were straight, gay or bisexual should mean anything.

The more folks want to fixate on someone's sexual preference and the more it is shoved in the public's face, the more resentment you will get.

I imagine all civil rights movements go through this as they evolve and die down once laws are passed to protect their rights.
Then you don't understand it at all. The point of showing who is L, G, B, T, etc. is to prove to younger LGBT members that they too can accomplish great things and that their LGBT status isn't a hindrance to doing so. All too often in our current culture, far-right wing elements like to demoralize the LGBT community into thinking that they are worthless elements in society that is even shown in this thread. The point is to fight against that.
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Old 06-01-2011, 12:48 PM
 
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It doesn't really affect me that Obama "declared" this LGBT month.
My family and our activities will just carry on as usual.

Except maybe we'll eat more bacon, lettuce, and tomato sandwiches.
There! I have decreed: In my house it shall be BLT Month!
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Old 06-01-2011, 12:48 PM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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Then you don't understand it at all. The point of showing who is L, G, B, T, etc. is to prove to younger LGBT members that they too can accomplish great things and that their LGBT status isn't a hindrance to doing so. All too often in our current culture, far-right wing elements like to demoralize the LGBT community into thinking that they are worthless elements in society that is even shown in this thread. The point is to fight against that.
Is Harvey Milk not in current history books under civil rights movements ?
(honest question here as I'm not up to date on K-12 curriculum)
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Old 06-01-2011, 12:48 PM
 
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Then you don't understand it at all. The point of showing who is L, G, B, T, etc. is to prove to younger LGBT members that they too can accomplish great things and that their LGBT status isn't a hindrance to doing so. All too often in our current culture, far-right wing elements like to demoralize the LGBT community into thinking that they are worthless elements in society that is even shown in this thread. The point is to fight against that.
You worry too much about what other people think.
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Old 06-01-2011, 12:50 PM
 
Location: Las Vegas, NV
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I'm gay and I don't care about this. I don't think Obama did anything special, he said it was this month. So? He didn't create it, so... again... so what?

I understand the purpose of select "months" or "days" or "weeks" of having "x" history. By now, our history books in school SHOULD be updated to include a fair balance of everything in US History. Yes, we have the women's right movement. We have the civil rights movement. Pretty soon (if not already) there will be info on the LGBT movement (which funny enough SHOULD of been included in the 'civil rights' movement..)

I don't believe in making special cases. We're all people and we all have some kind of history here. But let's be honest: MOST of our history IS very Euro-centric/white. Yes, all of the people of different colors and races and their accomplishments need to be taught, but the majority IS white -- there's nothing we can do about that.

I believe in equality, not special treatment.
Where is there "special treatment" included in this declaration? Have you read it? I did and no where is any kind of "special treatment" mentioned. It's merely a month set aside for learning about the history of the LGBT community and it's struggles.
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Old 06-01-2011, 12:52 PM
 
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Where is there "special treatment" included in this declaration? Have you read it? I did and no where is any kind of "special treatment" mentioned. It's merely a month set aside for learning about the history of the LGBT community and it's struggles.
Why does the LGBT community feel the need to force feed this stuff to people? Why can't they just leave it up to the individual if they want to learn about this stuff? I personally don't care at all about any of it and I'm sure I'm not alone in that.
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Old 06-01-2011, 12:53 PM
 
Location: Hillsboro, OR
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Is Harvey Milk not in current history books under civil rights movements ?
(honest question here as I'm not up to date on K-12 curriculum)
I have no honest idea, but even if he was, one tomato doesn't make a crop.

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You worry too much about what other people think.
Yeah, I totally shouldn't worry about far-right conservatives constantly propping up laws preventing me from marrying who I love. You're so right.
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Old 06-01-2011, 12:53 PM
 
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It's merely a month set aside for learning about the history of the LGBT community and it's struggles.
From what I understand, it's a "pride" month, not a "history" month.
Where is such learning supposed to be taking place?
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