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I have never seen anyone work so hard trying (and failing) to prove Brazil is not an economic slum than MalaMan. If Brazil is the best South America has to offer, it is a continent well worth avoiding.
Yeah, talk, talk, talk...
But Americans are learning Portuguese and coming to this "economic slum" here, to earn some decent money:
(Learn Portuguese first, to understand the report above)
Why are you arguing using a logical fallacy? Everyone knows there's a lot of favelas surrounding the major capitals in Brazil. hell, go to Google Streetview and you can see a lot of neighborhoods with graffitied houses, sidewalks, homes in disrepair, etc. Also, lots of burglar bars and metal fences on the houses.
Who is "everyone"? Arrogant people like you, who had NEVER been to Brazil, and think that knows something about the country?
I will tell you what is a fallacy: the fallacy of "favelas". Only 19 percent of Rio de Janeiro's population live within favelas. And Rio de Janeiro is one of the most "favelized" cities in Brazil. Most mid-sized cities in Brazil (in the range from 300 thousand to 800 thousand inhabitants) have very few or no favelas at all.
Fast facts about this "economic slum" called Brazil:
- It's the 7th largest economy in the world (Nominal GDP);
- It's the 6th country in the world in the production of motor vehicles;
- Brazilian company Embraer is the fourth-largest commercial aircraft maker in the world (in close proximity of the third position - the Canadian company Bombardier)
- World leader in beef exports;
- World's largest producer of cofee;
- World's largest producer of sugarcane, world's second largest producer of ethanol fuel and the world's largest exporter of ethanol;
- World's second largest producer of soybeans, and world's largest exporter;
- World's third largest production (mining) of iron ore;
- Brazilian multinational company VALE is the second-largest mining company in the world, and the first in iron ore mining;
- Brazil's National Institute for Space Research (INPE) has the faster supercomputer in the Southern Hemisphere (faster than any supercomputer in Australia). Tupã, the Brazilian supercomputer, is the 34th faster in the world according to the June 2011 edition of the TOP500 supercomputers list.
Fast facts about this "economic slum" called Brazil:
- It's the 7th largest economy in the world (Nominal GDP);
- It's the 6th country in the world in the production of motor vehicles;
- Brazilian company Embraer is the fourth-largest commercial aircraft maker in the world (in close proximity of the third position - the Canadian company Bombardier)
- World leader in beef exports;
- World's largest producer of cofee;
- World's largest producer of sugarcane, world's second largest producer of ethanol fuel and the world's largest exporter of ethanol;
- World's second largest producer of soybeans, and world's largest exporter;
- World's third largest production (mining) of iron ore;
- Brazilian multinational company VALE is the second-largest mining company in the world, and the first in iron ore mining;
- Brazil's National Institute for Space Research (INPE) has the faster supercomputer in the Southern Hemisphere (faster than any supercomputer in Australia). Tupã, the Brazilian supercomputer, is the 34th faster in the world according to the June 2011 edition of the TOP500 supercomputers list.
You forgot that Brazil is one of the leading producers in the world of ethanol. The fact that Brazil uses sugar cane as opposed to corn for ethanol production has less severe impact on food prices and allows Brazil to be self-sufficient in terms of motor fuel production.
A three-decade-long alternative energy campaign has outfitted Brazilian filling stations with fuel pumps that offer pure ethanol, a blend of gasoline and 20% ethanol called gasohol, or even natural gas. This year, Brazil will achieve energy independence — a goal the United States has been chasing without success since the energy crises of the 1970s.
Now, even as the U.S. haltingly sets out on the path Brazil blazed, producers here are drawing up plans to transform sugar-cane-based ethanol from a national success to a global commodity. Brazilian companies are investing $9 billion in dozens of new sugar mills to boost ethanol production while aiming to double exports by 2010. The eventual goal is to spread new ethanol industries in countries from Japan to Nigeria.
"We are moving fast to the wholesale export of ethanol. ... We're investing in infrastructure in Brazil to make it easier to export in large quantities," says Jose Gabrielli, chief executive of the state-owned oil company Petrobras, which oversees ethanol sales abroad.
Who is "everyone"? Arrogant people like you, who had NEVER been to Brazil, and think that knows something about the country?
I will tell you what is a fallacy: the fallacy of "favelas". Only 19 percent of Rio de Janeiro's population live within favelas. And Rio de Janeiro is one of the most "favelized" cities in Brazil. Most mid-sized cities in Brazil (in the range from 300 thousand to 800 thousand inhabitants) have very few or no favelas at all.
You know nothing about Brazil.
Most of the criticism of Brazil is based on ignorance and bigotry. Anybody that has been to Brazil on the past ten years can see it a land of tremendous beauty, great people and a fantastic economic upside.
The reality is the middle class in Brazil is expanding. You can't say the same thing about the United States.
1 - Where are those mountains of poverty covering the Brazilian cities? What do you know about the geography of the city of Rio de Janeiro? Do you have any idea of what is the total area of the city of Rio de Janeiro, and what is the size of the area covered by the mountains with "favelas"?
2 - If you think that if China surpass the U.S. in GDP, it will hardly mean anything, then it means you consider GDP per capita more important than total GDP. In this case, to be coherent, you need to admit that the U.S. is currently not the "richest country on Earth". Countries like Norway, Qatar, Luxembourg, Singapore and the United Arab Emirates have a higher GDP per capita than the USA, so, by your own criteria, they are richer than the USA.
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2 - If you think that if China surpass the U.S. in GDP, it will hardly mean anything, then it means you consider GDP per capita more important than total GDP. In this case, to be coherent, you need to admit that the U.S. is currently not the "richest country on Earth". Countries like Norway, Qatar, Luxembourg, Singapore and the United Arab Emirates have a higher GDP per capita than the USA, so, by your own criteria, they are richer than the USA.
That's a completely false statement. In fact China is in many ways more power than the United States economically RIGHT NOW.
Why?
It ranks number one in foreign exchange reserves and it's number one in current account balance. In other words CHINA HAS MORE MONEY THAN THE UNITED STATES!
The ranking of #1 in GDP will simply be the icing on the cake.
You can't call a country the richest country on earth if IT'S THE BIGGEST DEBTOR ON THE PLANET. The reality is America on a corporate, personal and government basis has been living off one big credit card.
Fast facts about this "economic slum" called Brazil:
- It's the 7th largest economy in the world (Nominal GDP);
- It's the 6th country in the world in the production of motor vehicles;
- Brazilian company Embraer is the fourth-largest commercial aircraft maker in the world (in close proximity of the third position - the Canadian company Bombardier)
- World leader in beef exports;
- World's largest producer of cofee;
- World's largest producer of sugarcane, world's second largest producer of ethanol fuel and the world's largest exporter of ethanol;
- World's second largest producer of soybeans, and world's largest exporter;
- World's third largest production (mining) of iron ore;
- Brazilian multinational company VALE is the second-largest mining company in the world, and the first in iron ore mining;
- Brazil's National Institute for Space Research (INPE) has the faster supercomputer in the Southern Hemisphere (faster than any supercomputer in Australia). Tupã, the Brazilian supercomputer, is the 34th faster in the world according to the June 2011 edition of the TOP500 supercomputers list.
sounds llike you are more on par with Canada but we only trade with one other country and we have a 200 year long friendship and long time allies and share the worlds largest undefended border on earth and are the 2nd and 3rd largest countries in the world so having Canada in the G8 along with the US makes sense.
who buys most of brazils exports?
one thing you would need to step up at the U.N. and get involved a bit more and maybe build up your infastructure and build a military that can get into issues on issues abroad like somalia piracy on shipping lanes. you would need a modren frigate or two but it would get you noticed that you made the effort and would open up some dialouge with NATO, OTAN and EU countries on trade
That's a completely false statement. In fact China is in many ways more power than the United States economically RIGHT NOW.
Why?
It ranks number one in foreign exchange reserves and it's number one in current account balance. In other words CHINA HAS MORE MONEY THAN THE UNITED STATES!
The ranking of #1 in GDP will simply be the icing on the cake.
You can't call a country the richest country on earth if IT'S THE BIGGEST DEBTOR ON THE PLANET. The reality is America on a corporate, personal and government basis has been living off one big credit card.
China will face major problems soon (real estate bubble, social uprising, etc.). The fact that they own so much (soon-to-be-worthless) US Treasuries is not a reassuring thing for them because they will have to adopt policies that prop the USD if they don't want those reserves to be totally worthless. The USA will essentially become "too big to fail" for them...
As for the countries with higher GDP/capita, they are all small countries usually living off only (usually) 1 product (ie. oil/gas) --> Norway, Brunei, UAE, Qatar. Singapore, it's shipping, which it could lose if China gets ahold of the region. USA is still the largest "rich" country in the World in terms of GDP/capita.
Most of the criticism of Brazil is based on ignorance and bigotry. Anybody that has been to Brazil on the past ten years can see it a land of tremendous beauty, great people and a fantastic economic upside.
The reality is the middle class in Brazil is expanding. You can't say the same thing about the United States.
The middle class is expanding because there is no or barely a middle class to speak of right now! You're starting from nothing; for your country's sake, I hope it's growing!
And Brazil is known among economists as the country which experienced economic growth without "development"; income inequalities are very high and still increasing despite the plethora of welfare programs and social projects started by Lula in the last decade.
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