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Old 06-09-2011, 06:08 PM
 
Location: Los Awesome, CA
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One step closer to getting rid of the 2nd amendment.

U.N. Agreement Should Have All Gun Owners Up In Arms - Larry Bell - The Bell Tells for You - Forbes
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Old 06-09-2011, 06:10 PM
 
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Hurry! Better send your donation to the NRA right away!.....LOL
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Old 06-09-2011, 06:15 PM
 
Location: Wasilla, Alaska
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A treaty may not do or exceed what the Congress is charged to do or what it is forbidden to do. Constitutional authority supersedes, overrules, and precludes any contrary treaty authority. Thus, if a proposed treaty would violate any provision of the Constitution, it may not even be seriously considered or debated, much less be ratified and implemented because the same restrictions that were placed by the Constitution on the US federal government are also imposed on any treaty provision.

"If the treaty power is unlimited, then we don't have a Constitution. Surely the President and the Senate cannot do by treaty what the whole government is interdicted from doing in any way." -- Thomas Jefferson

"A treaty cannot be made which alters the Constitution of the country or which infringes any express exceptions to the power of the Constitution of the United States." -- Alexander Hamilton
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Old 06-09-2011, 06:18 PM
 
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A treaty may not do or exceed what the Congress is charged to do or what it is forbidden to do. Constitutional authority supersedes, overrules, and precludes any contrary treaty authority. Thus, if a proposed treaty would violate any provision of the Constitution, it may not even be seriously considered or debated, much less be ratified and implemented because the same restrictions that were placed by the Constitution on the US federal government are also imposed on any treaty provision.
Exactly. You just can't abide by a treaty that conflicts with the Constitution.

Not to mention the likelihood of passing that treaty is 1%.

Just another scary story designed to fool gun nuts (who are natural conspiracy theorists) into shelling out more cash for 2nd Amendment hucksters.
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Old 06-09-2011, 06:44 PM
 
Location: Raleigh, NC
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Since the Constitution usurps all, one should happily ignore any new UN treaty.
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Old 06-09-2011, 07:02 PM
 
Location: Central Maine
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Somewhat different thread title, but the same crap:

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The search feature isn't THAT hard to use.
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Old 06-09-2011, 08:09 PM
 
Location: Wasilla, Alaska
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Since the Constitution usurps all, one should happily ignore any new UN treaty.
Ratified treaties have the same legal weight as the US Constitution itself (See Article VI, Section 1, Clause 2 of the US Constitution). However, no treaty may be ratified if it violates any provision of the US Constitution. In other words, treaties cannot be used as a means to circumvent the government limitations the US Constitution places on them, or grant the government any additional powers.
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Old 06-09-2011, 08:58 PM
 
Location: somewhere in the woods
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  1. Enact tougher licensing requirements, creating additional bureaucratic red tape for legal firearms ownership.
  2. Confiscate and destroy all “unauthorized” civilian firearms (exempting those owned by our government of course).
  3. Ban the trade, sale and private ownership of all semi-automatic weapons (any that have magazines even though they still operate in the same one trigger pull – one single “bang” manner as revolvers, a simple fact the ant-gun media never seem to grasp).
  4. Create an international gun registry, clearly setting the stage for full-scale gun confiscation.
  5. In short, overriding our national sovereignty, and in the process, providing license for the federal government to assert preemptive powers over state regulatory powers guaranteed by the Tenth Amendment in addition to our Second Amendment rights.
1st. The goverment can do the 1st part with or without the UN, the public might not like it and can throw the jerks in office out come election time.

2nd. How is the goverment going to confiscate any privately owned firearm? most people I know, if the feds show up to confiscate their firearms, there will be another war started, and the people on the hill wont like the results.

3rd. good luck with that one. the democrat congress of 94 learned that having the AWB94 cost them both houses. I dont think it will happen again anytime soon.

4th. how is anyone from the goverment or outside the country going to have a registry when most of the firearms in the USA are not registered at all to anyone.

5th. some states already have compacts with the federal goverment stating that individual ownership of firearms is a right, and if the central goverment takes that right away, then that state might just resort to being a individual sovereign republic.
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