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This is all interesting, but it doesn't address what I consider the heart of the issue. I believe people have certain unalienable rights. One of the most fundamentally important of these rights is the right to have control over one's own body - especially its physical intactness. I can't understand for the life of me why anyone believes it's a parent's "right" to cut off perfectly functional and healthy parts of their children's bodies - be it for an aesthetic reason or because they believe doing so will favor curry with some deity. If someone, even a parent, is hellbent on violating the fundamental rights of a small boy, then I think it's our duty as a society (via our government) to protect that man's rights.
I totally, totally agree. Just as I would be against removing a baby's limb, I am against circumcision. There's no good reason for it. If a man wants to be circumcised, he can do it on his own when he's an adult - and I bet most guys would not choose to do it.
Even if the ban doesn't pass in San Francisco, it's doing a great service by getting people to think about the issue.
I totally, totally agree. Just as I would be against removing a baby's limb, I am against circumcision. There's no good reason for it. If a man wants to be circumcised, he can do it on his own when he's an adult - and I bet most guys would not choose to do it.
Even if the ban doesn't pass in San Francisco, it's doing a great service by getting people to think about the issue.
Getting parents to think more about the issue is fine but, passing a ban for the benefit of all males?....where do you draw the line with something like that. There are thousands of decisions your parents make for you up until you become an adult. No they may not be physical but, there are plenty that can scar you far more mentally and emotionally than a circumcision does. That is what's important here, right....how it affects you mentally and emotionally...we're not talking about government stepping in and deciding a physical preference all males should adhere to, right?
If it didn't get done because of a ban, let's not be ridiculous, no man is going to want to get it done when they're an adult....so, basically it would pretty much eliminate the procedure getting done in the future.
My point it this, if you take this decision out of the hands of the parents then, you're going to have a lot of people with other decisions they'll feel should be handled the same way. Where do you draw the line? They'll all have reasons that they feel are valid (just as you do) to ban parents from making the decisions that they didn't like.
You have to remember that there will be decisions they want banned that you may not be happy with at all. Is a circumcision ban something that you feel is so important to you, that you would be willing to put up with the decisions that other people want their parents banned from being allowed to make. You have to think about other people to....do you really think this would be worth the can of worms it will open.
You have to be fair....arguing why yours makes sense but, no one else's does, that isn't going to work....that's the can of worms I'm referring to when ask if it's worth opening. Can you just image all the crap the far right will want to start getting banned? I know if I were you, I'd be willing to say, "maybe this isn't such a great idea".....you have to sometimes...we all have to get along and this is the kind of thing that adds fuel to a fire that I'm not interested in seeing get any bigger than it already is.
Why is it always the uncircumcised that freak out about circumcision? I have never heard a circumcised guy complain and hold it against his parents. Why is somenone else's penis their business??? I think that they have circumcised penis envy.
Who's asking or demanding you to? But as I've said, I have never heard a complaint from any man that was.
Nobody's asking or demanding me to - I'm intact. However, for millions of American men the decision is made for them without any input or consent whatsoever. Why that's allowed makes no sense to me.
Nobody's asking or demanding me to - I'm intact. However, for millions of American men the decision is made for them without any input or consent whatsoever. Why that's allowed makes no sense to me.
But when all is said and done...again, no man I have ever met is less fascinated with his penis than an uncircumcised guy is with his. If a guy has an issue with his genitalia, it is usually due to size and nothing else.
But when all is said and done...again, no man I have ever met is less fascinated with his penis than an uncircumcised guy is with his. If a guy has an issue with his genitalia, it is usually due to size and nothing else.
So? If my nipples or my fingernails or my pinky toes or whatever had been cut off when I was a week old, I probably wouldn't care too much either - in fact I'd probably try and rationalize it as a good thing since it would be my physical reality.
That doesn't change the fact that my fundamental right to control over my own body was violated. That doesn't change the fact that perfectly healthy and normal parts of my body were permanently removed without my input or consent. That doesn't make it right.
So? If my nipples or my fingernails or my pinky toes or whatever had been cut off when I was a week old, I probably wouldn't care too much either - in fact I'd probably try and rationalize it as a good thing since it would be my physical reality.
That doesn't change the fact that my fundamental right to control over my own body was violated. That doesn't change the fact that perfectly healthy and normal parts of my body were permanently removed without my input or consent. That doesn't make it right.
That is your opinion and you are entitiled to it, but why are you upset for people that are not upset for themselves? Female cirumcision takes away much of a female's sexual sensation, but in the male it does not. When the question is posed to a circumcised man as to whether or not they are sorry for the loss of their foreskin, I have never had one say that they were. If they are of the Jewish faith, they do not see anything negative in their parent's decision to abide by the practice and just as a Bar Mitvah is a rite of passage, so goes the circumcision.
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