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In general, you are right. However when a judge makes the following statement:
"You don't spank children today...In the old days, maybe we got spanked, but there was a different quarrel. You don't spank children"
it is not too much to point out that spanking is legal under Texas law, since that is the term the judge chose to use.
Context people, context. The judge was admonishing a women for her (admitted) crime - she plead guilty. Her crime was injuring her child through the use of severe, and clearly injurious, spanking. The spanking she administered crossed the line from legal spanking to illegal spanking when it caused physical injury to the child.
In this context, it's pretty clear that the "spanking" mentioned by the judge is the illegal and injurious spanking that the case was about.
It's better avoidin' spanking, everyone can spank a kid in order to be obeyed, respected but from a parent, especially a mom, you would expect a more "sophisticated" (or adult) manner to teach children how to behave.
But the article says too little, we don't even know what kind of spaking was, wether it was "soft" or a violent one, like that of some aggressive depressed mothers who sometimes indulge in...
I hope for the Law is the latter, otherwise the judge is a bit a paranoid.
Spanking is a barbaric act from a different era. Anybody that thinks that hitting your child or creating a climate in which your child fears that they will be assaulted to be valid parenting tools is insane. The only thing that spanking teaches a child is that violence is an acceptable way to deal with anger and frustration. IMO, if a parent thinks it is necessary to spank their child, then they lack the maturity and intelligence required to be a good parent.
Context people, context. The judge was admonishing a women for her (admitted) crime - she plead guilty. Her crime was injuring her child through the use of severe, and clearly injurious, spanking. The spanking she administered crossed the line from legal spanking to illegal spanking when it caused physical injury to the child.
In this context, it's pretty clear that the "spanking" mentioned by the judge is the illegal and injurious spanking that the case was about.
You are quite creative at taking a few simple facts and writing a book of fiction.
And by the way, pleading guilty does not mean someone is guilty. It just means they plead guilty. If you know anything about court cases, you know that it is not uncommon for someone to plead guilty since that is their best choice.
It's better avoidin' spanking, everyone can spank a kid in order to be obeyed, respected but from a parent, especially a mom, you would expect a more "sophisticated" (or adult) manner to teach children how to behave.
But the article says too little, we don't even know what kind of spaking was, wether it was "soft" or a violent one, like that of some aggressive depressed mothers who sometimes indulge in...
I hope for the Law is the latter, otherwise the judge is a bit a paranoid.
It's been awhile - this is an old thread for some reason revived. As I recall (I read multiple news reports about this when the thread was new), this women "spanked" her 1 (nearly 2) year old child. A few hours later, the grandparents babysat. They noticed what to them were concerning welts and took the kid to the emergency room. The hospital staff treated and documented the injuries and reported a suspected incident of child abuse to the police. The police investigated and charged the mother with child abuse (overly severe spanking resulting in injury).
She plead guilty, and agreed to a plea agreement of probation, a $50 fine, and temporary loss of custody of her child (apparently her other two older kids had already been taken away from her previously). These words from this judge come from the hearing where he accepted the plea agreement and admonished her for the crime she was found guilty of committing.
In that context, it makes perfect sense that the spanking the judge is referring to is the injurious and therefore illegal spanking she engaged in.
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Does anyone remember that family in Florida where the children were taken away and the father was arrested for child sexual abuse and it turned out the daughter fell while riding her brothers bicycle bruising her vaginal area?
The parents after many many months and thousands of dollars in atty's fees got their kids back, the husband was cleared *BUT* Florida has no way to expunge the sexual abuse charges on the fathers police record, the mans future is ruined....
The state and the federal government should stay the hell out of child rearing, period.
Context people, context. The judge was admonishing a women for her (admitted) crime - she plead guilty. Her crime was injuring her child through the use of severe, and clearly injurious, spanking. The spanking she administered crossed the line from legal spanking to illegal spanking when it caused physical injury to the child.
In this context, it's pretty clear that the "spanking" mentioned by the judge is the illegal and injurious spanking that the case was about.
I disagree. If the judge wanted to admonish the woman for injuring the child, he would've done so clearly. It's his obligation as a powerful public official, with control over many people's lives and futures, to make himself understood. It's not everyone else's obligation to try and guess at what he meant.
Either he doesn't understand that, or he actually meant that spanking per se, whether injurious or not, is illegal in Texas.
Spanking is a barbaric act from a different era. Anybody that thinks that hitting your child or creating a climate in which your child fears that they will be assaulted to be valid parenting tools is insane. The only thing that spanking teaches a child is that violence is an acceptable way to deal with anger and frustration. IMO, if a parent thinks it is necessary to spank their child, then they lack the maturity and intelligence required to be a good parent.
..and the ONLY way to correct this misbehavior is with a spanking.
Ridiculous. The "ONLY way" is to resort to violence against someone who weighs 1/5 your size? Insanity.
I will never allow someone to hit a child...or teenager or spouse or parent or... Screaming and throwing a tantrum are a nuisance, not misbehavior. I really don't understand why people treat emotional responses so poorly. You do not control a child, you teach it. Huge difference.
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