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So get a lawyer and write a contract. Leave marriage out of this. If it was only about a contract, why are people whining?
Because all it takes is one person of your mindset in, say, a hospital.
"Sorry, visitation is for family only - you're obviously not the spouse" - and somebody dies alone in a hospital room while their loved one sits crying in the parking lot. This actually happens.
It's not a remote hypothetical or an interesting moral discussion about Bible verses, your attitude causes real, tangible pain. I guess the wquestion is whether it's a Christian thing to do - to let other people suffer for your desire to feel morally superior?
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I am married. That makes my opinion on the subject relevant.
Well, I am married, too. And for some reason, I don't see my marriage threatened or cheapened the slightest bit by gay marriage. So - sorry if your marriage is fragile enough to be influenced by somebody else getting married.
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Don't try to redefine what marriage is. You don't have that right.
According to some, I already have. After all, it's an interfaith marriage, something manifestly not recognized by many, many congregations. Who, I am sure, also think that "their opinion on the subject is relevant."
Because all it takes is one person of your mindset in, say, a hospital.
"Sorry, visitation is for family only - you're obviously not the spouse" - and somebody dies alone in a hospital room while their loved one sits crying in the parking lot. This actually happens.
It's not a remote hypothetical or an interesting moral discussion about Bible verses, your attitude causes real, tangible pain. I guess the wquestion is whether it's a Christian thing to do - to let other people suffer for your desire to feel morally superior?
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Because all it takes is one person of your mindset in, say, a hospital.
"Sorry, visitation is for family only - you're obviously not the spouse" - and somebody dies alone in a hospital room while their loved one sits crying in the parking lot. This actually happens.
I honestly wouldn't care if you wanted to visit your boyfriend in the hospital. Do you have an actual link to a real news story that shows that this sort of thing happens with any amount of regularity to it? More than once in the past 10 years?
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It's not a remote hypothetical or an interesting moral discussion about Bible verses, your attitude causes real, tangible pain. I guess the wquestion is whether it's a Christian thing to do - to let other people suffer for your desire to feel morally superior?
I am sorry you have an issue with my morals. I really am. You question if it's "Christian" to call a sin a sin. I don't advocate that we be mean or rude, or mistreat you because of who you sleep with...I honestly don't care.
The gay lobby is forcing a lot of stuff on Christian America that we find offensive as well. But then you don't stop to think about that, do you?
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Well, I am married, too. And for some reason, I don't see my marriage threatened or cheapened the slightest bit by gay marriage. So - sorry if your marriage is fragile enough to be influenced by somebody else getting married.
Bully for you. You are one person. Your opinion matters, but you don't speak for everyone.
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According to some, I already have. After all, it's an interfaith marriage, something manifestly not recognized by many, many congregations. Who, I am sure, also think that "their opinion on the subject is relevant."
My church would recognize an interfaith marriage. I'm not catholic.
I love it, the way that ppl who are opposed to gay marriage are automatically labelled as "anti-gay bigots", just b/c they happen to object to that particular lifestyle, and practice of arbitrarily redefining marriage (in their favor), vs. as it has historically been known for millennia
Why doesn't it go both ways though? Why aren't pro-marriage gay ppl also labelled as "anti-hetero bigots"?
Just b/c a gay person calls a straight person opposed to gay marriage a bigot, doesn't automatically make him or her so. I am a straight guy who supports gay civil unions, but opposes gay marriage.
I honestly wouldn't care if you wanted to visit your boyfriend in the hospital. Do you have an actual link to a real news story that shows that this sort of thing happens with any amount of regularity to it? More than once in the past 10 years?
I am sorry you have an issue with my morals. I really am. You question if it's "Christian" to call a sin a sin. I don't advocate that we be mean or rude, or mistreat you because of who you sleep with...I honestly don't care.
The gay lobby is forcing a lot of stuff on Christian America that we find offensive as well. But then you don't stop to think about that, do you?
Bully for you. You are one person. Your opinion matters, but you don't speak for everyone.
My church would recognize an interfaith marriage. I'm not catholic.
Giving other people equal rights is not forcing anything on anybody.
Why doesn't it go both ways though? Why aren't pro-marriage gay ppl also labelled as "anti-hetero bigots"?
I've never met a gay person who was against straight marriage while advocating marriage for gays only. If I did, I would consider them to be prejudiced against heterosexuals.
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Just b/c a gay person calls a straight person opposes to gay marriage a bigot, doesn't automatically make him or her so. I am a straight guy who supports gay civil unions, but opposes gay marriage.
I agree with this too. One can be against same-sex marriage and not necessarily be bigoted. I'm against same-sex marriage and opposite-sex marriage. I'm against legal marriage in general. I think it's stupid. I think we should give up the idea of giving marriage benefits to anyone and we should just consider everyone an individual in the eyes of the state.
And I'm gay myself so I'm obviously not bigoted towards gays.
I love it, the way that ppl who are opposed to gay marriage are automatically labelled as "anti-gay bigots", just b/c they happen to object to that particular lifestyle, and practice of arbitrarily redefining marriage (in their favor), vs. as it has historically been known for millennia
Why doesn't it go both ways though? Why aren't pro-marriage gay ppl also labelled as "anti-hetero bigots"?
Just b/c a gay person calls a straight person opposes to gay marriage a bigot, doesn't automatically make him or her so. I am a straight guy who supports gay civil unions, but opposes gay marriage.
As far as it going the other way, well no one is trying to deny equal marriage rights to heterosexuals. Hell considering the support same sex marriage has, and the amount of people who are actually gay, the vast majority of those who support same-sex marriage (like myself) are heterosexual.
Now if someone were to say only homosexuals can get married and heterosexuals can't, then that would be an anti-hetero bigot, but of course no one is making that argument.
The gay lobby is forcing a lot of stuff on Christian America that we find offensive as well. But then you don't stop to think about that, do you?
If gays ever try to interfere with your ability to marry or worship, feel free to get back to me. Till then, it just doesn't compare. Gay rights groups aren't trying to actively take away the rights of religious people the way religious groups are trying to take away the rights of gay people. So I'm not exactly sure what gay people are "forcing" on America. I have yet to meet a gay person that tells straight people how to live, yet I have met many straight people that try to tell gay people how to live.
Adults should be able to enter into any contractual agreements with other adults of their choosing. Panicking over the idea of adults marrying children is just silly and irrational. Why do we need the government to sanction our marriages at all?
Because "conservatives" want less government....oh wait.
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