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Old 09-11-2012, 10:29 AM
 
Location: Londonderry, NH
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Thanks for an insiders view of Obamacare, DOC. It sounds like a very inclusive and useful program.

We could provide the same care at lower cost if we eliminated any involvment by the private sector health insurance companies with their excess overhead (executive salaries) and profit.
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Old 09-11-2012, 10:37 AM
 
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Must be nice in that dreamworld you live in. I bet Sinatra sings for you every night in there too, eh?
Must be nice in YOUR fantasy world if you don't believe the Democrat party has just as much to do with Americas downfall as the Republicans do..... this is a both party failure ..... I bet that Little Wayne sings in your fantasyland right?

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Old 09-11-2012, 10:43 AM
 
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If I am reading the bold print as the responses of sickofnyc, then I could not disagree more.
Unfortunately, I can only address one fallacy at a time.
Since I am an emergency physician with nearly 35 years experience and have been studying health policy for years, I will address the healthcare issue. The Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act is not about stiffing nurses and doctors. It is not about "free healthcare". It is about protecting patients that pay a lot of money for their healthcare. Patients on Medicare and Medicaid (which sickofnyc might consider "free healthcare" already have these protections)
Regarding the healthcare legislation that not one house republican voted for, even Mitt Romney on Meet the Press 2 days ago admitted that "Obamacare" has some important protections for patients. I'll say.
Let me name a few:
1) Dependent children are now allowed to remain on their parents’ insurance policy until age 26 years of age (was 24). I have a personal reason for loving this, saved me $500 a month in COBRA for two years. Now that’s some change I can believe in.
2) People can no longer be denied insurance for pre-existing conditions, or charged outrageous fees. My God-daughter could not get health insurance for her 7 month old after he suffered a stroke. This will no longer be acceptable. 3) You have complete choice of doctors within your plan’s network (exactly what we have now) but in addition you have access to emergency departments outside your network (which most plans do not have now); 4) You have the right to keep your prior (grandfathered) plan if you choose; 5) You cannot be dropped for getting sick, or have your coverage canceled because you made a mistake on your application; 6) There are no longer lifetime caps on essential medical services; 7) You will get a reimbursement check if your plan does not spend at least 85% of its premiums on providing healthcare (I have several friends that have already received them, but they did not know that this was a direct result of "Obamacare"). The truth is that the Republicans know that once people see how this works, they will never be able to repeal it, which is why they are in such a hurry.[/font]
You are absolutely right about the Republicans trying desperately to repeal these things before people really get a good idea of how beneficial the ACA will be for them. They knew this right from the start, which is why they fought so hard against it. They knew full well that just like Social Security and Medicare before it, once people saw the advantages it provided for them, they would want to keep it. What comparable programs have Republicans brought to the average American? The answer is none, and they know it, and that's exactly what they don't want the electorate to be remembering right before an election.

Polls have shown that though many people automatically give a negative response when asked about the ACA (no doubt from all the screeching about death panels and the like) they overwhelming like all of the things you outlined in your post. The Republicans have already lost this battle. Even Romney knows it.
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Old 09-11-2012, 11:44 AM
 
Location: OH->FL->NJ
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>The financial turmoil was the result of too much govenrment regulation, not too little.<

The securitization of mortgages had nothing to do with it?!?!?! You lost right there.

People from BOTH parties, in and out of govt, had a hand in the mess.
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Old 09-11-2012, 12:01 PM
 
Location: Pluto's Home Town
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Eisenhoswer era republicans were to the left of today's democrats.
Interesting. I just realized that I am an Eisenhower Era Rebublican who votes democrat.
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