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Another trolling classic, demand "proof" when they know iran won't allow inspections. Sorry honey - won't fly here.
Who inspects Israel's nuclear weapons program?
Funny how you haven't listed one legitimate reason why we should send American lives and spend billions to war Iran, a country who is no threat to us nor has made any aggressive overtures to us you just simply deflected the questions as "trolling."
How many more Americans need to die for Israel?
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Third, NK is not expansionist, it is not fomenting wars all over the SE region - unlike iran, who is stirring violence and terrorism all over the middle east and beyond.
What countries has Iran invaded? Do they occupy other people's land and then build settlements and then put Persians in them? If they did that, I could see how that would be terrorism and taken as aggression but I haven't seen them invading anyone's country or taking lebensraum like other nations in the middle east.
"Iran's hand is perhaps most visible in the work of its armed Iraqi proxies. These groups—Kataib Hezbollah, Asaib Ahl al-Haq, and the Promised Day Brigade—are directly supported by the Qods Force of the Islamic Revolutionary Guards Corps. They continue to support terrorist and paramilitary groups throughout Iraq that target both Americans and Iraqis. These groups have stepped up their attacks in recent months. Fourteen U.S. soldiers were killed in Iraq in June, the highest monthly total of combat-related deaths since June 2008, when there were nearly three times as many U.S. troops in Iraq. More than half of these deaths were caused by improvised rocket-assisted mortars that contain improvised explosive devices in their warheads. Such mortars first surfaced in 2007 and 2008, but they were used infrequently and were not constructed or employed well. This has since changed. "They're getting more sophisticated, more lethal, more precise in targeting," a U.S. military official told me.
Iran has also increased the flow of weapons to Iraqi militants, with the Qods Force even crossing into Iraq to re-arm its surrogates. U.S. and Iraqi troops have discovered hundreds of weapons caches in the last six months. They have contained weapons of substantial size, range and lethality—and which could be traced directly back to Iran. Some of these arms were made as recently as 2010.
The attacks by Iran's proxies are designed to make it more unappealing for U.S. forces to stay in Iraq after this year. They are also meant to create the illusion that militants are driving U.S. forces out, to pressure the U.S. in retaliation for its Syria policy, and to convey to Iraqis that Iran can stir trouble if it so desires."
soldiers are being killed over there because they ARE over there. bring them home and then they won't be killed over there. that is how you protect the american soldiers.
if any country tries to attack us here, americans will rally 100% and give 100% to protect this country.
we don't need to keep "preemptively" striking everybody else, especially when we have those in charge leaving OUR OWN BORDERS OPEN.
let's use the money we save to create jobs in real energy independence-with drilling, coal, natural gas, biofuels, etc. then our leaders won't even have an excuse to keep ripping us off anymore. maybe stealthrabbit can teach us ALL how to run our cars on vegetable oil.
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First the liberal/arab muslim comes in with guns blazing...
What kind of nonsensical gibberish is this? The Pentagon rejected what, what was the mission? They just said iran is totally untouchable? You'll need to be more specific, what was the mission discussed - regime change, nuclear facility targeting, warning traps; we'll need a little bit more details than: "you cannot touch iran!"
Just the fact that you mentioned "a lot of dead troops" tells me you have no clue, since I clearly stated there would not be troops on the ground.
Says, who - armchair arab you? I have 16 years of military mission planning experience, and have extensively discussed this with others with equal or greater experience in other military arms. Iran has no military components that can stop a full-bore US air and naval attack, none. Not even douchebags like roger cohen or seymour hersh can claim otherwise.
What do I care about the population, I just want to eradicate the leadership.
This from an arab muslim who benefitted from my protection for almost 20 years...
Your protection? Please. LMAO...whatever. I doubt you were anything more than a training NCO at the company level at best. GTFOH with this nonsense about being a military mission planner.
I mean really...eradicate the leadership? Uh huh. And how is the new leadership gonna turn out once you eradicate the old leadership? You have no earthly idea but you'll keep talking out of your body orifices until you start to believe the crap you're saying.
This nonsense about wars wrapping up in a few weeks at best is poppycock. The Iraq conflict was supposed to go quickly too. How'd that turn out? In order to eradicate leadership and replace it with reliable leadership....a.k.a. puppets, requires Americans to actually be on the ground. And no matter how you manage to pull that off, the Iranians WILL NOT accept the new leadership if it has any American stench on it. We'll be stuck there trying to pacify the population, and don't give me this bullsh*t about how that's not necessary. There are no objectives that can be accomplished there beyond tearing the hell out of some buildings that can be completed without troops being on the ground.
And beyond that, "take out the leadership?" The leadership of the country are the mullahs. You're going to kill every mullah in Iran with Special operations, air power and naval assets? You're dreaming, and you don't have a damn clue about what you're talking about.
There's already a somewhat constrained Iranian revolution recently. Anything that crippled the country's ability to keep constraining that revolution is likely to give the protestors more courage.
Now this doesn't mean it's a surefire way to change relations with Iran.
But we're doing whatever we can already, without war, to postpone the ability of Iran to even have the chance at a nuclear weapon.
Darioush Rezaie, 35, a university lecturer, was shot dead by gunmen in eastern Tehran on Saturday, the third murder of a scientist since 2009. One was killed in a car bomb, the second by a device detonated remotely.
soldiers are being killed over there because they ARE over there. bring them home and then they won't be killed over there. that is how you protect the american soldiers.
When jews were murdered by iranians in argentina, did their location make the slightest fuc-ing bit of difference?
When israeli INSIDE GREENLINE israel were suicide bombed by iranian poodles, or lebanese journalists/politicians were murdered by iran, or iraqi civilians slaughtered by iran's hand - did it make a difference where they were? No, its because they simply EXISTED.
If you think running away and hiding your head in the sand from a cancer like iran will save and protect you - you are wrong, VERY wrong.
I wish Iranians all the luck in countering foreign infidels and those bullying Iran. Oil is such a curse.
Funny, if Americans were treated like how Iran was treated by America, war would've happened a long time ago, but the Iranians have cooler heads.
Btw, did anyone mentioned how US conspired to overthrow Iran's democratic Prime Minister and installed a dictator? Guess being altruistic with your country's resource means the big boys will boot you out like thugs.
Right..... oh god, that made my side hurt. ROFL. HA HA HA HA!
Iraq, nation building? Ha ha ha ha!
Iraq was raped and pillaged.
Iraqi middle class was demolished.
Iraq's electricity grid, water, sewage, infrastructure, demolished and privatized.
Iraq unemployment went through the roof.
Iraq, in the simplest term, was [MOD CUT] by foreigners who had no interest in the welfare of Iraqis in general.
Nation building.... ha ha ha ha, lovely euphemism to cover what was a war crime, no different from Nazis pillaging Poland, then turn around and call it liberation and protection against communism. People aren't stupid, well maybe you are.
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Behind Dimona’s barbed wire, the experts say, Israel has spun nuclear centrifuges virtually identical to Iran’s at Natanz, where Iranian scientists are struggling to enrich uranium. They say Dimona tested the effectiveness of the Stuxnet computer worm, a destructive program that appears to have wiped out roughly a fifth of Iran’s nuclear centrifuges and helped delay, though not destroy, Tehran’s ability to make its first nuclear arms.
Darioush Rezaie, 35, a university lecturer, was shot dead by gunmen in eastern Tehran on Saturday, the third murder of a scientist since 2009. One was killed in a car bomb, the second by a device detonated remotely.
The world’s global nuclear inspection agency, frustrated by Iran’s refusal to answer questions, revealed for the first time on Tuesday that it possesses evidence that Tehran has conducted work on a highly sophisticated nuclear triggering technology that experts said could be used for only one purpose: setting off a nuclear weapon.
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Defense Secretary Robert M. Gates pledged Saturday that the United States would sustain its military presence and diplomatic involvement in Asia, as he sought to calm regional worries about the potential for a new isolationism brought on by fiscal difficulties at home.
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If history teaches anything it teaches self-delusion in the face of unpleasant facts is folly. We see around us today the marks of our terrible dilemma—predictions of doomsday, antinuclear demonstrations, an arms race in which the West must, for its own protection, be an unwilling participant.
People do not make wars; governments do. And no mother would ever willingly sacrifice her sons for territorial gain, for economic advantage, for ideology. A people free to choose will always choose peace.
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If we put a thermometer in darkest space, with absolutely nothing around, it would first have to cool off. This might take a very very long time. Once it cooled off, it would read 2.7 Kelvin. This is because of the "3 degree microwave background radiation." No matter where you go, you cannot escape it -- it is always there.
Troll, stop mentioning other countries in this thread on iran, or I will report you, and you will be dealt with severely by the forum admins.
Who inspects Israel's nuclear weapon program? Considering Israel and AIPAC are some of the biggest champions of sending American men and women to fight for them, this is relevant to the thread.
Please don't call me a troll or I will have to report you.
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Read the first 25-odd pages of this thread, I've written plenty. Not my fault a troll like you thinks they can join a thread late in the game and think they'll be spoon fed and catered to.
I did read the thread and you simply insulted people and pushed off those who asked you why we should war Iran.
For those who don't want to read all 25-pages, please tell us sterpetron:
Why should American men and women die to war Iran? Why should we fight for Israeli interests? How many American men and women need to die in a war which isn't our fight?
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You're dreaming, and you don't have a damn clue about what you're talking about.
