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Old 07-12-2011, 09:48 PM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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The Texas Light Bulb Bill became law 2 days ago.
Perfect timing..eh ?

Send those light bulb folks down to Texas. You make 'em and we'll buy 'em.

Texas Incandescent Light Bulb Bill Becomes Law - Yahoo! News
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Old 07-12-2011, 09:48 PM
 
Location: Long Island, NY
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Well of course it does. What is funny is your contention that his road map doesn't do very much when it is acknowledged, the Dem plan, such that it is, explodes the deficit. So even by your standards a modest proposal causes the Dems to soil themselves.

Again you completely ignore the effect of the rate reduction, because you know it is revenue neutral, because of closing of loopholes. Come on, we all know, you can admit it.


By the way, let's not forget how this exchange started. Your contention that the Republicans haven't offered a jobs bill when they clearly have. You may whine about it but it was put forth.
First, the Ryan Plan is not a modest plan, it's a radical plan.

Second, it's a flim-flam. While the Plan really does make savage cuts in programs that help the needy, amounting to about $3 trillion over the next decade; and make huge tax cuts for corporations and the wealthy, also amounting to about $3 trillion over the next decade; it also, claims to be revenue neutral but Ryan refused to name a single tax preference that he would, in fact, be willing to get rid of; all he and his party do is keep repeating "revenue-neutral" in the hope that people believe them.

It makes unspecified cuts in spending outside Medicare, Medicaid, and Social Security that would shrink the government -- including defense! -- back to 1920s levels and replacing Medicare with vouchers that would leave most seniors unable to afford insurance. It's purely unrealistic at best and dishonest at worst, which makes no changes to overall deficit levels -- just changes who gets benefits.

Then the alternative:
The Progressive Plan.
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Old 07-12-2011, 09:49 PM
 
Location: Rational World Park
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The GOP doubled down on protecting old outdated lightbulbs. Yep, no jobs bill, caved on the debt talk, can't reppeal "Obamacare"..What a joke.
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Old 07-12-2011, 09:52 PM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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The GOP doubled down on protecting old outdated lightbulbs. Yep, no jobs bill, caved on the debt talk, can't reppeal "Obamacare"..What a joke.
Texas and soon Pennsylvania and South Carolina will have "Light Bulb Laws" to allow them to continue to manufacture and use incandescents.
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Old 07-12-2011, 09:52 PM
 
Location: Long Island, NY
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The Texas Light Bulb Bill became law 2 days ago.
Perfect timing..eh ?

Send those light bulb folks down to Texas. You make 'em and we'll buy 'em.

Texas Incandescent Light Bulb Bill Becomes Law - Yahoo! News
Since when did Texas stop being part of the U.S. and subject to federal law?
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This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in Pursuance thereof; and all Treaties made, or which shall be made, under the Authority of the United States, shall be the supreme Law of the Land; and the Judges in every State shall be bound thereby, any Thing in the Constitution or Laws of any State to the Contrary notwithstanding.
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Old 07-12-2011, 09:53 PM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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Since when did Texas stop being part of the U.S. and subject to federal law?
We can only make and sell them within Texas.
Don't ship them and interstate commerce clause doesn't kick in.

http://news.consumerreports.org/home...tbulb-ban.html
" The law doesn’t ban incandescents and doesn’t require the use of compact fluorescent lightbulbs"
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Old 07-12-2011, 09:53 PM
 
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It seems the major jobs accomplishment is playing games with the deficit because no rational person believes that you can reduce the deficit by tax cuts alone, which brings up an even more intriguing question. Considering that the prime rate is 3.25% and the Fed discount rate is an amazing .75% I'm dying to know the correlation between deficit reduction and job creation. It ain't like the interest rate on money is driving investment out of private sector. Pleeeeeze explain?
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Old 07-12-2011, 09:54 PM
 
Location: Rational World Park
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Texas and soon Pennsylvania and South Carolina will have "Light Bulb Laws" to allow them to continue to manufacture and use incandescents.
So?
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Old 07-12-2011, 09:55 PM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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So?
So we still get a choice.

I'd rather not get the more expensive, more hazardous new bulbs thank you.
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Old 07-12-2011, 09:57 PM
 
Location: Long Island, NY
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We can only make and sell them within Texas.
Don't ship them and interstate commerce clause doesn't kick in.

House to vote on repealing lightbulb efficiency standards
" The law doesn’t ban incandescents and doesn’t require the use of compact fluorescent lightbulbs"
That was the argument in the California Medical Marijuana case and the SCOTUS ruled it was interstate commerce.

Moreover, Texas doesn't make bulbs, they import them.
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