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Old 07-16-2011, 12:51 PM
 
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Why even recognize nations as legitimate? Why borders, boundaries political subdivisions?
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Old 07-16-2011, 03:19 PM
 
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I don't want anything above the local level, and for that to be fairly informal (like a primitive Native village...).
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Old 07-16-2011, 03:36 PM
 
Location: West Coast of Europe
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I don't want anything above the local level, and for that to be fairly informal (like a primitive Native village...).
What's the radius of 'local'?
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Old 07-16-2011, 03:41 PM
 
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I don't want anything above the local level, and for that to be fairly informal (like a primitive Native village...).
Good. I'm coming to kidnap your daughter and take all your stuff.

Where do you live?
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Old 07-16-2011, 03:42 PM
 
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I don't want anything above the local level, and for that to be fairly informal (like a primitive Native village...).
Then put your money where your mouth is and get off the grid. I don't understand the anarchist and anti-civilization types that post on a message board on the internet. Don't be a hypocrite.
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Old 07-16-2011, 03:49 PM
 
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Then put your money where your mouth is and get off the grid. I don't understand the anarchist and anti-civilization types that post on a message board on the internet. Don't be a hypocrite.
Very well said.
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Old 07-16-2011, 03:50 PM
 
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Why even recognize nations as legitimate? Why borders, boundaries political subdivisions?
Your title is misinforming. You are assuming that these people are anarchists, which the super vast majority or not.

Anarchists want no government. Libertarians want limited federal government and a prosperous free market that is free of corporatist cronyism and you need small federal government for that. This has been explained many times but you refuse to listen and instead, choose to believe, despite what is explained to you and what is available via sites such as the Ludwig von Mises Institute, that Libertarians = anarchists = sovereign citizens.
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Old 07-16-2011, 03:52 PM
 
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Your title is misinforming. You are assuming that these people are anarchists, which the super vast majority or not.

Anarchists want no government. Libertarians want limited federal government. This has been explained many times but you refuse to listen.
And what, specifically, are those limits?

Protecting your stuff, I presume, for starters.
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Old 07-16-2011, 03:55 PM
 
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And what, specifically, are those limits?

Protecting your stuff, I presume, for starters.
Those limits being that allows for a prosperous free market environment to form, that doesn't violate the rights of others while preserving yours and a market that doesn't let so-called too big to fail corporations to form. We've not had a free market for at least 100 years. If you think the free market was what Upton Sinclair was talking about, you're wrong. Free markets don't let companies like Standard Oil exist, and companies like Standard Oil only exist when government is involved in their growth. In other words, Libertarians are wholly against corporate welfare and regulations that exist to prop up certain companies at others' expense. Present-dat example would be the new carbon regulations the EPA wants to push through because Congress wouldn't amend the Clean Air Act to include CO2 as a pollutant. All the while exempting GE (remember ex GE CEO Jeff Immelt is in Obama's Cabinet) owned coal powerplants from these regulations
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Old 07-16-2011, 03:59 PM
 
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Those limits being that allows for a prosperous free market environment to form, that doesn't violate the rights of others while preserving yours and a market that doesn't let so-called too big to fail corporations to form. We've not had a free market for at least 100 years. If you think the free market was what Upton Sinclair was talking about, you're wrong. Free markets don't let companies like Standard Oil exist, and companies like Standard Oil only exist when government is involved in their growth
You realize that the government you're talking about is more restrictive than the government we have now, since this government clearly will let TBTF banks grow freely.

Sounds like you don't necessarily want less government, you want better government.

And, man, so do I.
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