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Old 11-07-2011, 06:51 AM
 
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Monty Ervin, Patricia Ervin convicted on tax evasion, conspiracy charges.

A federal jury found Dothan residents Monty and Patricia Ervin guilty Friday on charges of tax evasion and conspiracy to defraud the United States.

Patricia Ervin was also found guilty of structuring transactions to avoid reporting requirements.

Sentencing is set for Jan. 23, 2012, in front of U.S. District Judge Myron Thompson. Monty Ervin faces a maximum of 20 years in prison and a maximum fine of $1 million. Patricia Ervin faces a maximum of 25 years and a $1.25 million fine.

Monty Ervin, Patricia Ervin convicted on tax evasion, conspiracy charges | Dothan Eagle (http://www2.dothaneagle.com/news/2011/nov/04/monty-ervin-patricia-ervin-convicted-tax-evasion-c-ar-2655889/ - broken link)
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Old 11-07-2011, 07:06 AM
 
Location: Londonderry, NH
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Is this Dothan, Alabama? AFAIK Dothan lives off the revenue from robbing the soldiers at the US Army Helicopter School located nearby. No wonder these idiots tried to avoid taxes.
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Old 11-07-2011, 07:14 AM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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Awesome, I love the sovereign citizen movement for just this kind of thing. Two more loons out of society so normal people can get on with their lives.
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Old 11-07-2011, 07:16 AM
 
Location: Prepperland
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Since the term "citizen" means a subject, there can be no such thing as a "sovereign citizen".

But American people ARE sovereigns - until they surrender that status.
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Old 11-07-2011, 07:19 AM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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Since the term "citizen" means a subject, there can be no such thing as a "sovereign citizen".

But American people ARE sovereigns - until they surrender that status.
Why don't you try your beliefs then Jet? Get your butt in gear and be a leader for your them.

Henry David Thoreau was willing to stand for his beliefs, don't you wish to do the same?
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Old 11-07-2011, 09:26 AM
 
Location: Southcentral Kansas
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Monty Ervin, Patricia Ervin convicted on tax evasion, conspiracy charges.

A federal jury found Dothan residents Monty and Patricia Ervin guilty Friday on charges of tax evasion and conspiracy to defraud the United States.

Patricia Ervin was also found guilty of structuring transactions to avoid reporting requirements.

Sentencing is set for Jan. 23, 2012, in front of U.S. District Judge Myron Thompson. Monty Ervin faces a maximum of 20 years in prison and a maximum fine of $1 million. Patricia Ervin faces a maximum of 25 years and a $1.25 million fine.

Monty Ervin, Patricia Ervin convicted on tax evasion, conspiracy charges | Dothan Eagle (http://www2.dothaneagle.com/news/2011/nov/04/monty-ervin-patricia-ervin-convicted-tax-evasion-c-ar-2655889/ - broken link)
Maybe you need to define that word, sovereign, for people here. I don't know of any definition of the word that makes a person who lives in a nation and takes advantage of all those government goodies but want to have sovereignty which is something that only governments can have in the definition of sovereignty that I have always lived by.
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Old 11-07-2011, 10:28 AM
 
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"But American people ARE sovereigns - until they surrender that status."

Don't worry, the U.S. Marshall's Service is going to help them with surrendering their status, from free citizen to inmate.
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Old 11-07-2011, 01:33 PM
 
Location: North Pacific
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Default Every time, I always think of George Washington

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Maybe you need to define that word, sovereign, for people here. I don't know of any definition of the word that makes a person who lives in a nation and takes advantage of all those government goodies but want to have sovereignty which is something that only governments can have in the definition of sovereignty that I have always lived by.
Awe what's in the definition of a word when we can refer it to something else.

Sovereign Citizen Law & Legal Definition

"Sovereign citizen is a term used to refer to a political movement which grew out of a belief in government abuses of power."

Sovereign citizens exist in mind only.

Also, there is another group of U.S. citizens who would like to govern themselves under their law. (two movements that are going hand-in-hand) However, dare I define them. I will let this document define it, if any one would care to explore its content in its entirety.

FBI — Sovereign Citizens

*hint* Perspective

If there was another land in which people could go to today and reestablish themselves, I'm sure they would go there. I always come up against, 'where are people going to go', so as to create that that they wish to establish among themselves as a group? With the population of the world being as it is, I doubt very seriously an uninhabited or undiscovered land mass can be made possible.

Taxes---it always boils down to taxes and the question, are they constitutionally imposed on U.S citizens? (pivotal since 1913)
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Old 11-07-2011, 02:44 PM
 
Location: West Coast of Europe
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All that paranoia about government and ultimately society, why don't such people buy themselves land on the moon so they can live all on their own
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Old 11-07-2011, 02:47 PM
 
Location: Out in the Badlands
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Monty Ervin, Patricia Ervin convicted on tax evasion, conspiracy charges.

A federal jury found Dothan residents Monty and Patricia Ervin guilty Friday on charges of tax evasion and conspiracy to defraud the United States.

Patricia Ervin was also found guilty of structuring transactions to avoid reporting requirements.

Sentencing is set for Jan. 23, 2012, in front of U.S. District Judge Myron Thompson. Monty Ervin faces a maximum of 20 years in prison and a maximum fine of $1 million. Patricia Ervin faces a maximum of 25 years and a $1.25 million fine.

Monty Ervin, Patricia Ervin convicted on tax evasion, conspiracy charges | Dothan Eagle (http://www2.dothaneagle.com/news/2011/nov/04/monty-ervin-patricia-ervin-convicted-tax-evasion-c-ar-2655889/ - broken link)
Verry interresting...Timmy Geithner got a pat on the back and promotion to Secretary of the Treasury for income tax evasion. I guess it all in who you know.
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