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Old 11-30-2011, 10:40 AM
 
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Actually, when convicts/pasients are released from forced psychiatric care they may be transferred to a regular prison.




Breivik did not fear being declared insane because of this. He feared this would weaken his cause and agenda. Meaning he thought the cultural marxists would use this as a tool to commit character assassination. He believes he is a martyr (or even hero/savior) and had already accepted death or any kind of prison sentence.

This certainly borders schizophrenia... The question is if he was psychotic during the mass murders. There are experts saying he wasn't. Even though they haven't read the full report. Considering the amount of years he planned this. I'm eager to see if they want a second opinion in this matter.

Edit: I would provide articles confirming this, but it's in Norwegian and I'm to lazy to google
I have to say, as he receives treatment and medication for his delusions, how terrible it would be to come to the realization that you are a monster, a vicious murderous monster that cold-bloodedly mowed down children. I think if I were him, I'd refuse treatment, because the alternative to accept responsibility for his terrible actions, to acknowledge how monstrous those actions were, is just awful. I think I would prefer death.
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Old 12-01-2011, 03:39 AM
 
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I have to say, as he receives treatment and medication for his delusions, how terrible it would be to come to the realization that you are a monster, a vicious murderous monster that cold-bloodedly mowed down children. I think if I were him, I'd refuse treatment, because the alternative to accept responsibility for his terrible actions, to acknowledge how monstrous those actions were, is just awful. I think I would prefer death.
Interestingly you present a catch 22 problem. Because if he would fear realizing what he has really done he may not be schizophrenic to begin with. I doubt he would refuse treatment for this reason.
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Old 12-01-2011, 07:46 AM
 
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Interestingly you present a catch 22 problem. Because if he would fear realizing what he has really done he may not be schizophrenic to begin with. I doubt he would refuse treatment for this reason.
To accept treatment is a tacit acceptance that his perceptions of reality may be wrong. To refuse treatment is an assertion that his perception of reality is the correct one.
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Old 12-01-2011, 08:52 AM
 
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To accept treatment is a tacit acceptance that his perceptions of reality may be wrong. To refuse treatment is an assertion that his perception of reality is the correct one.
Not necessarily. I believe he will accept treatment but not because he accepts that he needs it. He believes he is a martyr and is willing to die or be tortured for his cause.
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Old 12-01-2011, 09:47 AM
 
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Not necessarily. I believe he will accept treatment but not because he accepts that he needs it. He believes he is a martyr and is willing to die or be tortured for his cause.
If he doesn't accept that he needs treatment, why accept treatment? And even if he does accept treatment, as the enormity of what he's done becomes clear, what's to stop him from declining treatment in the future? When faced with the reality that you have committed a monstrous act, how many of us would prefer our delusions?
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Old 12-01-2011, 11:13 AM
 
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I have to say, as he receives treatment and medication for his delusions, how terrible it would be to come to the realization that you are a monster, a vicious murderous monster that cold-bloodedly mowed down children. I think if I were him, I'd refuse treatment, because the alternative to accept responsibility for his terrible actions, to acknowledge how monstrous those actions were, is just awful. I think I would prefer death.
Norwegian newspaper spoke to other people with the diagnosis paranoid schizophrenia, who were quite offended at being lumped in with Breivik. (Although it just went to show that people really were out to get them, apparently)

One of them, who had recovered from psychotic episodes, said he hoped Breivik never recovered, because he would not wish upon anyone waking up and realizing they'd done something like that.
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Old 12-01-2011, 11:35 AM
 
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When I first heard the news I was incredulous but then I thought- must be worse in Norway to be institutionalized for life in a mental facility than to go to jail for 15 years for heinous crimes committed against humanity.
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Old 12-01-2011, 11:47 AM
 
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When I first heard the news I was incredulous but then I thought- must be worse in Norway to be institutionalized for life in a mental facility than to go to jail for 15 years for heinous crimes committed against humanity.
He would get either 21 years or 30 years... but he would in reality probably never be let out again.
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