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In the aftermath of the twin terror attacks in Norway Friday, the country has moved to reimpose border control for its Schengen neighbors.
They'll change it's inevitable and my guess is closer attention will be focused on immigration and how it affects the ethnic Norwegian working class going forward. The tactic of the elites dismissing the concerns of the working class over mass immigration by denouncing them as racists will slowly recede. As now the elites themselves are now being targeted politically and physically.
I didn't read the whole thing, of course, but here's a bit of what I ran across:
He hates Muslims, naturally
He hates multiculturalism, of course
He talks about the "elites" at lot and complains about the universities -- typical fear of education, no surprise there
He talks about how those who oppose these things -- like him -- are "patriots" -- how typical for the lunatics to endlessly tell everyone how they are the real patriots
He complains a lot about political correctness
He complains about sexual freedom -- no shocker that he prefers a world in which the government monitors bedroom activities
He complains about feminism -- again, pretty typical
He complains about secularism
He wants the entire discipline of sociology removed from academia because "only a small minority of sociologists aren't traitors" -- again, more fear of education, combined with the idea that those who think differently than him, especially those in academia, are "traitors"
He complains about the media
He hates immigration -- of course
He approvingly quotes conservative American writers Mark Steyn, Daniel Pipes and Ayn Rand
He hates Al Gore and Barack Obama -- because they're "Eco-Marxists"...
He thinks Global warming is a massive conspiracy...
Just a very brief scan of his writings.
And he ends with an appeal to "cultural conservatives" to "fix things" -- and he leaves a long list of instructions for making bombs, how to obtain all materials, advice and notes on the topic, and so forth.
out of so many people there, I can not believe not one of them had a gun to defend themseves. what kind of country is that?
Right now, you can't apply American politics to America. The TParty is fairly successful at pushing Legislators to ignore the intention of the Formers on Compromise.
First you have to understand that limited government, less spending, back to the Constitution can only apply to the USA that has the Constitution and those notions.
The idea of limited government doesn't exist in most of Europe.
You have to step outside your narrow American point-of-view on everything and realize that Fox News is something in the USA, not all of Europe. Tea party refers to an event in US history, there is no counterpart in Norway and most countries. Other countries have their own political parties.
The gunman can't take all the blame for this atrocity. The Norwegian government has some responsibility to bear for their failure to keep their citizens safe.
A guy with a background in farming gets tons of fertilizer and makes a bomb, how many bombs? I read somewhere that he had 6 tons of fertilizer. How the heck do you make a bomb to fit in ONE car with 6 tons of fertilizer? Who signs off on that kinda purchase? Does this guy have that size of a farm where he could be authorized to buy that much fertilizer?
Only one police helicopter in all of Oslo? C'mon. Are you serious? One hour and 30 minutes to get to the island? Incompetent.
After OKC bombing in 1995, the USA started watching everyone buying anything in large quantities that a bomb could be constructed from. But Norway kept on their "rose colored glasses", heads buried in the sand. Norway thought they were above it all. And now this happens.
Every Norwegian should be madder than hell about their government right now but I doubt they will even see things the way I do. There is plenty of blame to go around on this one, the shooter and the government can share it.
A gunman can take all of the blame. It was he and he alone who bears sole responsibility. Nobody put a gun in his hand. Blaming the govt. is Hypocricy. Blame big govt. for everything including taking away rights and then blame big govt. for not doing enough. You people. Can't have it both ways.
This was a right wing terrorist. It is his fault and his fault alone. We could have the very same thing happen in the U.S., how do you combat it? More people were killed with the small weapon than with the bomb. What would you do to suggest how the govt. can combat that here?
And yet there have been at least 2 other threads accusing the same thing, each a troll thread. It is beyond despicable that people on CD are jumping on this pointing fingers before the bodies have even assumed room temperature. I'm really learning the lack of character of many of the posters here. Completely tasteless.
Apparently, many on the christian right see themselves in the manifesto.
As for the lack of character and completely tasteless, try to remember that yourself when you talk about muslims.
They'll change it's inevitable and my guess is closer attention will be focused on immigration and how it affects the ethnic Norwegian working class going forward. The tactic of the elites dismissing the concerns of the working class over mass immigration by denouncing them as racists will slowly recede. As now the elites themselves are now being targeted politically and physically.
The reason that he explained as justifying this attack is that the leftist media and elites have so successfully stifled any debate on issues like muslim immigration he felt he had no choice but to perform a massive strike like this.
No rightist would agree with his violence, but I've yet to find a word in his manifesto that is non-factual, though some of his ideas are a bit questionable.
Yup there was no realistic avenue for him or other like him to affect the change they seek politically, especially in Europe where rightwing stirrings elicit reflexive cries of Nazism.
Ironically his action does bring to mind some of the attacks and assignations committed by the German right wing during the post WW1- 1933 years. These bailouts the Euro elites are so proud of may also elicit some major blowback. Euro integration is falling apart another dream of the Left elite is about to collapse.
Apparently, many on the christian right see themselves in the manifesto.
As for the lack of character and completely tasteless, try to remember that yourself when you talk about muslims.
No, in the USA it might be about what you people call rednecks or people for the US constitution, you have to realize however that Norway has it's own political issues, not all the same as here in the USA.
You really have to shake loose that mindset that this has to do with people who favor limited government as described in the US Constitution and Bible Belt religious types.
No, in the USA it might be about what you people call rednecks or people for the US constitution, you have to realize however that Norway has it's own political issues, not all the same as here in the USA.
You really have to shake loose that mindset that this has to do with people who favor limited government as described in the US Constitution and Bible Belt religious types.
That's what Hitler said about Jews... The "Final Solution" was not meant to eliminate Jewish people... only to deport them to Russia and Poland...
Don't even get me started with this deflective crap. There was no jewish plot to conquer germany or europe, and even after the knowledge of the death camps circulated jews did not attack german civilians. Jews assimilated extremely well into germany - unlike the muslim hordes intentionally NOT assimilating currently.
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