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Old 07-26-2011, 05:07 PM
 
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Never say never.

If he sees a chance, or an opening, who knows.

Vote for a Democratic, spineless politician? Vote for an idiotic Republican nominee?

Independents unite, change our country. Even registered Republicans and Democrats can see that a vote for one party or the other, is a vote for the same party.
I like the dialogue that some independents create, but there is no chance in hell they change the way DC works.

And Bloomberg has unequivocaly stated he will not run. And while lotsa guys play it coy, he was asked all through 08, too. Dude's almost 70. He won't run.
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Old 07-26-2011, 05:08 PM
 
Location: Sango, TN
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I like the dialogue that some independents create, but there is no chance in hell they change the way DC works.

And Bloomberg has unequivocaly stated he will not run. And while lotsa guys play it coy, he was asked all through 08, too. Dude's almost 70. He won't run.
It would take a President with testicular fortitude. Clinton stood his ground, and let Republicans take the hit for shutting down the government. It can happen again.
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Old 07-26-2011, 05:10 PM
 
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It would take a President with testicular fortitude. Clinton stood his ground, and let Republicans take the hit for shutting down the government. It can happen again.
Clinton got trampled plenty. Health care reform, even his concessions with balancing the budget. It's not like he created Medicare or something.

Obama pushed through the biggest health care reform law since Nixon. That's not nothing. If you expect more, you're naiive.
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Old 07-26-2011, 05:12 PM
 
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@OP_ I like what was said in your letter and it resembles what I might say, but one doesn't become Prez. of the most powerful Nation on this planet, if he is not willing to dance with the Dragon. He isn't the man behind the curtain.
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Old 07-26-2011, 05:12 PM
 
Location: Sango, TN
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Clinton got trampled plenty. Health care reform, even his concessions with balancing the budget. It's not like he created Medicare or something.

Obama pushed through the biggest health care reform law since Nixon. That's not nothing. If you expect more, you're naiive.
Healthcare reform was impossible without a super majority in the Senate.

But the economy was good, and he let Republicans shut down the government. Didn't work so well for them.
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Old 07-26-2011, 05:15 PM
 
Location: Fort Worth Texas
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He doesn't have to go into default, 14th amendment, and let the courts sort it out.

Besides, I think that if he held his ground, Republicans would blink.

Instead, he not only blinks, he's kept his eyes closed since January of this year.

By your thinking, Republicans are just as guilty as the President, because they didn't accept his deals.

Thats why everyone is angry with Washington, because both parties are FUBAR.
I agree both parties have been responsible for this debt and deficit. So both sides can equally point finger at the other.
That is not the question the question is what are the parties doing now
Dem's believe taxing solves the problem. Reps believe cutting spending does.
the problem we have at this moment in time is not a democratic problem or a Republican problem its a spending problem You do not address a spending problem by taxing .

What wording do you see in the 14th admendment that would allow Obama to unilaterly rasie the debt ceiling?
if he does this is there a constitutional crisis possibilty?
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Old 07-26-2011, 05:16 PM
 
Location: Fort Worth Texas
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Healthcare reform was impossible without a super majority in the Senate.

But the economy was good, and he let Republicans shut down the government. Didn't work so well for them.
he did not have the super majority in the senate he had 59 votes
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Old 07-26-2011, 05:46 PM
 
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Mr. President:

When, oh when, will you take the Republican's at their word and understand they have no interest in helping you govern this nation or compromising for the common good? How many times do they have to say their goal is to destroy your presidency and keep you from being re-elected before you believe them?

Good Lord, man! Grow a pair! Stand up to those thugs and call their hand. MAKE them shut down the government if that's what it takes! Right now, this nation DEMANDS leadership and you're just not offering it.

Don't wimp out on us again. We didn't elect you to kiss the GOP's hind-end, but to LEAD!


Whadda ya think? Will it do any good?

Naw, it won't.
What you should have asked him was " why, oh why, are you not telling the American public that your DNI has told you America is on the decline and yet you still think a declining America needs a debt burden that's ostensibly oppressive?"

You'd think he was a taking a crisis for granted or something...
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Old 07-26-2011, 05:55 PM
 
Location: Va. Beach
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What part? The entire thing is vague, by itself. Here is the commerce clause in its entirety:



You cannot possibly derive an answer to all of the millions of variable circumstances, events and laws that may affect commerce among the states, with foreign nations, etc., by and through merely that 1 sentence. The Supreme Court, for centuries, has interpreted it differently on an almost decade-by-decade basis.

It is anything but simple to try and deduce precisely what Congress can and cannot do from reading that phrase.
Article 1 section 8


The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States; To borrow money on the credit of the United States;
To regulate Commerce with foreign Nations, and among the several States, and with the Indian Tribes;
To establish an uniform Rule of Naturalization, and uniform Laws on the subject of Bankruptcies throughout the United States;
To coin Money, regulate the Value thereof, and of foreign Coin, and fix the Standard of Weights and Measures;
To provide for the Punishment of counterfeiting the Securities and current Coin of the United States;
To establish Post Offices and Post Roads;
To promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts, by securing for limited Times to Authors and Inventors the exclusive Right to their respective Writings and Discoveries;
To constitute Tribunals inferior to the supreme Court;
To define and punish Piracies and Felonies committed on the high Seas, and Offenses against the Law of Nations;
To declare War, grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal, and make Rules concerning Captures on Land and Water;
To raise and support Armies, but no Appropriation of Money to that Use shall be for a longer Term than two Years;
To provide and maintain a Navy;
To make Rules for the Government and Regulation of the land and naval Forces;
To provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions;
To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the Militia, and for governing such Part of them as may be employed in the Service of the United States, reserving to the States respectively, the Appointment of the Officers, and the Authority of training the Militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress;
To exercise exclusive Legislation in all Cases whatsoever, over such District (not exceeding ten Miles square) as may, by Cession of particular States, and the acceptance of Congress, become the Seat of the Government of the United States, and to exercise like Authority over all Places purchased by the Consent of the Legislature of the State in which the Same shall be, for the Erection of Forts, Magazines, Arsenals, dock-Yards, and other needful Buildings; And
To make all Laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into Execution the foregoing Powers, and all other Powers vested by this Constitution in the Government of the United States, or in any Department or Officer thereof.
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Old 07-26-2011, 06:30 PM
 
Location: Indiana
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Mr. President:

When, oh when, will you take the Republican's at their word and understand they have no interest in helping you govern this nation or compromising for the common good? How many times do they have to say their goal is to destroy your presidency and keep you from being re-elected before you believe them?

Good Lord, man! Grow a pair! Stand up to those thugs and call their hand. MAKE them shut down the government if that's what it takes! Right now, this nation DEMANDS leadership and you're just not offering it.

Don't wimp out on us again. We didn't elect you to kiss the GOP's hind-end, but to LEAD!


Whadda ya think? Will it do any good?

Naw, it won't.
I am with you shutting the government will save us lots of money, hope your right, he finally grows a pair and falls right on them!!!
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