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Old 08-02-2011, 02:53 PM
 
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Not even close to true. Real Estate, specifically commercial property, prices are dictated by a cap rate and unless you are telling me more stores are going out of business is massive quantities, which would result in even more lost jobs, the market has stabalized.
More stores are going to be going out of business in massive quantities. http://boombustblog.com/BoomBustBlog...The-Field.html There is a coming bank run in the EU. We are looking at higher interest rates as you can't run negative lending rates. Higher rates for debt will make the cap rates suck.

The CRE market's bubble has been fully re-inflated by the fed's printing press. Where I'm at you can rent a small office for $200 a month and I've seen some at $100 month. The same square footage in an apartment will run you 3X as much. I've seen free rent advertised for CRE.

High vacancies in CRE and a bunch of construction projects reaching completion.
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Old 08-02-2011, 03:02 PM
 
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Why would stocks go up, unless Wall Street thought some more free taxpayer money was going to get floated their way?

Nothing has changed with the passing of this bill, all it means is 0bama can borrow trillions more, and we will see at least $24 trillion national debt in ten years; even more if 0bama is reelected. All that was prevented these past few months was that 0bama could not borrow and spend like he needs to do, in order to transform the nation and crash our economy completely.
Thats just it, they wouldnt go up. People can only invest $x, and its either in the market, or its in bonds. When government increases the number of bonds in circulation, people have to cash stocks to buy them.

The only way this market would have climbed strongly, is if there was a meaningful bill passed showing that we were serious about our debt and solutions.
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Old 08-02-2011, 03:06 PM
 
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Futures are way up! We will see a 100-300 point rise in the Dow tomorrow if everything stays on track. I wish I didn't sell my options on Friday !
Well if it makes you feel any better, I thought the market would soar too. But I thought it would soar today, Tuesday. I think there is a lingering fear that the budget crap did some collateral damage. Also there was bad news as far as the economy. Some indicators were not reassuring. How about if I forecast that the Market will go up tomorrow about 150 points?
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Old 08-02-2011, 03:20 PM
 
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The market did soar. I meant dollar index is up. Gold is up as well, but everthing else got slaughter.

I think they are going to pull what they did in 2008. Push up the USD and force de-leveraging across the board.
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Old 08-02-2011, 03:31 PM
 
Location: Tampa Florida
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I have no idea where it will head. I'm out currently and will stay that way til I see reason to get back in.
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Old 08-02-2011, 03:34 PM
 
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Soar? hahaha... at least I bought in some stocks today but this position is for long... I bought it in for a good price regardless of what it does, its going to be a money maker! The stocks have been down a 1000 points in two weeks... that's about 10% and no default... I think the economists were saying 10-15% without default... so we will see...
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Old 08-02-2011, 08:31 PM
 
Location: Long Island, NY
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And yet you have liberals on C-D saying buying gold is a stupid thing to do and only paranoid conspiracy theorists believe in gold anyone who bought gold a long time ago now seen roundabouts 500% increase in the value of their gold. That's why during bad times people rush to government debt, gold, and commodities as safe havens, not stocks! I'm not a trader and that seems pretty obvious to do.
32 years ago, gold was $100/oz. It had gone to $800/oz. in 1981. Now, it's $1,650/oz. For most of the time in between it's been around $400.

Alternatively, the Dow Jones was 750 in 1982 and now is 12,000. Stocks have appreciated far more than gold.
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Old 08-02-2011, 08:38 PM
 
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32 years ago, gold was $100/oz. It had gone to $800/oz. in 1981. Now, it's $1,650/oz. For most of the time in between it's been around $400.

Alternatively, the Dow Jones was 750 in 1982 and now is 12,000. Stocks have appreciated far more than gold.
Gold and stock run counter cyclical gold is high when stock are low and stocks are high when gold is low. What we have now is inflation stocks are declining in value as they keep the same dollar amount to buy them. Gold is headed to $12k per oz.
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Old 08-02-2011, 08:51 PM
 
Location: Long Island, NY
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Gold and stock run counter cyclical gold is high when stock are low and stocks are high when gold is low. What we have now is inflation stocks are declining in value as they keep the same dollar amount to buy them. Gold is headed to $12k per oz.
I don't see much anti-correlation at all.

http://visinomics.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/gold.snp_.cpi_.jpg (broken link)
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Old 08-02-2011, 08:54 PM
 
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I don't see much anti-correlation at all.
I am LMAO off at all these so called "experts" in this thread.
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