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What's this about multiculturalism? It is all about poverty. Crime, depression, violence, riots, boredom, it all stems back to poverty, there was plenty of whites taking part in the riots also, there just happens to be more blacks living in poverty in London, it's the same with Glasgow high crime rate, boredom, depression, alcohol and drug abuse, but the population is mostly white British, so don't give me this multiculturalism crap! It's all about poverty
It's harder for them to assimilate into the smaller towns and such, cities offer a lot more in terms of employment, housing, etc. etc..
One might think so, but except for a few places such as East Germany I have observed the opposite. In small cities and towns minorities are usually better integrated as locals still perceive them as individuals, not a mass of strangers.
And look at these recent riots, they say it is a rather poor area with high unemployment, despite being located within the booming London metro area.
I'm still reeling from a story a few years ago in England of a white teenage boy walking home from school when a car full of Muslim thugs abducted him, stabbed and beat him, then set him on fire - of course, he died. Only one of the thugs got more than 20 years and the sentence was not much more than that, even. Meanwhile, a man shot an INTRUDER in his home and got life in prison!!! WTH?
Buh bye, UK . . .
Yeah I remember this murder, it was in Scotland not England, or maybe you were thinking of another murder, but your post reminded me of this one. They parked the car in a car park beside my house. He was taking on a 200 mile journey before they animals killed him, Kriss Donald his name was, terrible
One of the most notable impacts of the murder was to force some people to examine their views of racism and its victims. Commentators such as Mark Easton cite the racist murders of Donald and also Ross Parker as demonstrating how society has been forced to redefine racism and discard the erroneous definition of "prejudice plus power" – a definition which only allowed ethnic minorities to be victims.[20] Yasmin Alibhai Brown also cited the Donald case when highlighting the lack of concern for white victims of racist murders the one sided approach to the issue. She drew comparisons with high profile ethnic minority vicitms, asking whether Donald's murderers were "less evil than those who killed Stephen Lawrence?". Alibhai Brown came to the conclusion that treating "some victims as more worthy of condemnation than others is unforgivable – and a betrayal of anti-racism itself"
completely right we are all equal, every race, we are products of our environment, a racist is a racist no matter what colour, and we are ALL susceptible to become like these rioters, maybe you would understand if you lived that life, year on year of poverty, boredom etc, there is going to be a release at some point
One might think so, but except for a few places such as East Germany I have observed the opposite. In small cities and towns minorities are usually better integrated as locals still perceive them as individuals, not a mass of strangers.
And look at these recent riots, they say it is a rather poor area with high unemployment, despite being located within the booming London metro area.
I guess it depends on the local culture, there's a reason there are tons of immigrants in placs like NYC, L.A. and so on, and very few in tiny towns.
Uh, no? Did I say the rioters aren't to blame? Assigning responsibility to an individual and recognizing the circumstances that contributed to their actions are not incompatible.
There are plenty of people who are dirt poor without youth centers that somehow manage to not riot. It can be done. This is their failure, not the government, not rich white people. Hell the welfare programs etc over there are much more generous than ours.
What's this about multiculturalism? It is all about poverty. Crime, depression, violence, riots, boredom, it all stems back to poverty, there was plenty of whites taking part in the riots also, there just happens to be more blacks living in poverty in London, it's the same with Glasgow high crime rate, boredom, depression, alcohol and drug abuse, but the population is mostly white British, so don't give me this multiculturalism crap! It's all about poverty
Though it's definitely a poor area there is certainly some racial aspect to it. Tottenham has one of the longest-standing black communities in the country and it's not the first time there's been trouble there and mistrust of the police: Broadwater Farm riot - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia , though I get the impression the racial aspect was much more pronounced then. This is the first sign of any black-white racial tension I've seen since I moved here.
I went to see the aftermath of it today and there were older black people standing around taking photos and joking about how it reminded them of the 80s, whilst the policemen standing guard were almost all white. The videos linked on this page make interesting viewing: Tottenham riot: internet reaction - Telegraph
A lot of it seems to have been troublemakers coming in from elsewhere - and it seems to be happening again tonight according to this: Tottenham riot: live - Telegraph . Watching it on TV from Enfield now, it appears not to be largely black people involved this time.
I guess it depends on the local culture, there's a reason there are tons of immigrants in placs like NYC, L.A. and so on, and very few in tiny towns.
Indeed, but why? Most immigrants simply go to places where they already know someone or know that there are many of their own ethnicity. It is like a snowball effect, there is a scientific term for that kind of migration/settlement, but I don't remember it at the moment. It is based on word of mouth and personal relationships, not so much on local culture or anything like that.
One example: Many Portuguese immigrants to Germany live in small towns throughout the Münsterland region, which is rather odd as it is a pretty conservative, rural area, far from the sea (which is where the Portuguese usually settle abroad because of their history). Someone moved there decades ago and liked it there, and the rumor spread that life is good there, and more and more Portuguese came and settled there.
I guess many people tend to be a bit unfair towards small towns and cities. People there by and large are not less welcoming than those in big cities. Immigrants just don't give them a chance in the first place, especially if they are not really interested in their new country anyway.
First, a riot isn't particularly significant when you are talking about the negatives of multiculturalism. It's like looking at the Columbine killings and using it to criticize the 2nd Amendment. If you want to critize multiculturalism you have to look at how it creates social stratification, which in turn creates social resentment, a two-way social resentment.
None of this has much to do with who specifically immigrates. People can immigrate from anywhere in the world. The key is to have these people assimilate into the given country's larger culture. And this can often take as much effort from those in the larger, main culture than those who are in a subculture. And the subculture needing to assimilate is often simply a culture comprised of a minority, rather than immigrants.
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