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Old 08-29-2011, 12:35 PM
 
Location: London UK & Florida USA
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That is really none of your business.
You were the one who brought your friend and yourself into the conversation as examples.... not me.
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Old 08-29-2011, 12:42 PM
 
Location: London UK & Florida USA
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Yea, and so what? Besides hard work one has to pick a vocation that is in demand and takes skill. If I work in the factory versus performing surgery, guess what ...the demand may be the same, but the value to that skill is less. People can change vocation, go back to school. We have equal opportunity, not equal outcomes. To bad if people dont' want to work at a meticuous, tough vocation. That means they won't make alot of money.
You are kidding...right?
Many in the USA look at the health benefits when picking a job NOT whether they are suited or even want that profession. Jobs and health should NOT be linked in today's America.
I was talking to a Waitress in my local restaurant who has a Masters in Economics but cannot get a job in her field. She has tried and tried but is now waitressing and is glad to be working. Many are in her position.
If you think in America people can just change vocation as they wish .... well quite frankly, you need to get out more.
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Old 08-29-2011, 12:46 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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You are kidding...right?
Many in the USA look at the health benefits when picking a job NOT whether they are suited or even want that profession. Jobs and health should NOT be linked in today's America.
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oh please...I have never looked at a benny of health coverage as to whether I picked a profession or not
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Old 08-29-2011, 12:52 PM
 
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oh please...I have never looked at a benny of health coverage as to whether I picked a profession or not
You may not have but many do because they have to for one reason or another. Children, spouse, family coverage, illnesses that did not exist last year but are looming now etc. Happens everyday, 24-7.
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Old 08-29-2011, 12:58 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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You may not have but many do because they have to for one reason or another. Children, spouse, family coverage, illnesses that did not exist last year but are looming now etc. Happens everyday, 24-7.
ok and??

EVERYBODY will go to a profession (place of work) for different reasons..all have thier merit

some for the number of paid days off....some for health bennies....some for pension/profit sharing....some because they like the job.....but most for one reason...THE PAY

99% of the 20somethings... NEVER go to the doctor except for an annual checkup(and many dont even do that)

why would I want to SPEND $50 a week(that's for single coverage)...2600 a year..if I only go to the doctor once a year (basic dr visit is less than 100)


now on the otherhand a youthful 51 year old with 3 kids and a diabetic wife...sure I would make insurance a big thing
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Old 08-29-2011, 01:06 PM
 
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You are kidding...right?
Many in the USA look at the health benefits when picking a job NOT whether they are suited or even want that profession. Jobs and health should NOT be linked in today's America.
I was talking to a Waitress in my local restaurant who has a Masters in Economics but cannot get a job in her field. She has tried and tried but is now waitressing and is glad to be working. Many are in her position.
If you think in America people can just change vocation as they wish .... well quite frankly, you need to get out more.
No I am not kidding, ...I see to many people make excuses, I don't want to relocate, I can't sell my home, I don't want roomates, I don't want to go to school at night, I have kids, ....it is about making good choices, and more good choices. Not my fault that someone makes bad choices. I did exactly that..lived in 5 different towns over 3 yrs, had a roomate until age 30, didn't get married until after age 30...relocated 2x in a 10 yr professional career period, may do another one in a few yrs....

Good for the waitress, she has a job....but will she relocate? Will she live with a roomate? Will she sacrifice and eat mac and cheese for now? Will she hold off having a family?
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Old 08-29-2011, 01:08 PM
 
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ok and??

EVERYBODY will go to a profession (place of work) for different reasons..all have thier merit

some for the number of paid days off....some for health bennies....some for pension/profit sharing....some because they like the job.....but most for one reason...THE PAY

99% of the 20somethings... NEVER go to the doctor except for an annual checkup(and many dont even do that)

why would I want to SPEND $50 a week(that's for single coverage)...2600 a year..if I only go to the doctor once a year (basic dr visit is less than 100)


now on the otherhand a youthful 51 year old with 3 kids and a diabetic wife...sure I would make insurance a big thing
Then we agree?
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Old 08-29-2011, 01:15 PM
 
Location: Dallas
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You are kidding...right?
Many in the USA look at the health benefits when picking a job NOT whether they are suited or even want that profession. Jobs and health should NOT be linked in today's America.
I was talking to a Waitress in my local restaurant who has a Masters in Economics but cannot get a job in her field. She has tried and tried but is now waitressing and is glad to be working. Many are in her position.
If you think in America people can just change vocation as they wish .... well quite frankly, you need to get out more.

Sounds like an example of making poor choices.

A wiser choice would have been to study the job market and the projected job market before deciding to study economics. Many students do this rather than just get a degree in whatever appeals to them.
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Old 08-29-2011, 01:47 PM
 
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"Americans know there are significant disparities of wealth, between small numbers of extremely wealthy Americans and the rest of us – the 99% who do not have extreme wealth. The 400 wealthiest Americans have wealth equal to 150 million Americans. This richest 400, whose average income was $270.5 million, paid a tax rate of 18%; yet someone who earns $60,000 finds themselves in the 25% tax bracket…" from October2011.org./standwiththemajority.(emphasis mine)


You know, I don't think anyone would have problems with their being wealthy individuals if everyone had enough. Why would I care if someone had millions more than me if I knew that all people were guaranteed well paying, meaningful jobs, affordable or free college education, adequate and affordable health care, enough food so as to never suffer malnutrition or food anxiety, a home to call their own that could never be foreclosed upon and the knowledge that they could retire comfortably and enjoy their golden years. BUT, and it is a BIG BUT, that is not the reality in this country today nor in the world at large. And that is why these enormous disparities in wealth MUST NOT be tolerated!!

But what will our lawmakers do? They'll do the wrong thing as usual. Instead of ensuring that everyone has enough even if it means (and it will) redistribution of wealth, the government will suppress uprisings due to inequality by arresting people and throwing them in jail. If someone steals a loaf of bread because they and their families are starving, they will arrest that person. Because the profits of the food market are protected by "law" but our empty stomachs are not (why isn't hunger illegal or homelessness illegal?).Did it ever occur to them that the unrest could be eliminated in a day if everyone had enough.

And the lie that there is not enough has been exposed. People aren't starving, or homeless, or without medical care because there isn't enough. They are without because the wealthiest 10 percent of the population have 2/3 (73%) of the wealth while the 90% of the rest of us have to fight for the remaining 1/3 (27%). And fight is there operative word here. We fight amongst ourselves and look for scapegoats like "illegal aliens" or "welfare mothers." Trust me, those people aren't the problem. No, we should be directing all our anger, rage, and vitriol at that 10% who have so much more than they could spend in a hundred lifetimes. And the government that allows this and even taxes these greedy leaches at a lower rate with the EXCUSE that these wealthy few are the job creators. Well, perhaps they are job creators…….for China! With unemployment at 10% and expected to rise, we no longer need to be giving these wealthy individuals lower tax rates.

However, we shouldn't look to the government to tax these super wealthy people or cut military spending. No, they would rather cut or eliminate benefits to the people, again because the PEOPLE ARE NOT WHO THEY SERVE. I believe what Chris Hedges says. The institutions that were designed to protect us have sold out to the corporate and financial elite. Our only recourse is civil disobedience. We owe no allegiance to the government as they have abandoned their allegiance to the people. When and if they begin to represent US again, then we can again return our allegiance and support. In the meantime, we must do whatever we can to frustrate the plans of the corporate elite and the government. Non-cooperation, providing false information, tax resistance, and non-participation are all peaceful ways to help weaken the apparatus that has us miserable, destitute and enslaved.
It has been determined that if the wealth of all the millionaires and billionaires and of all the corporations were confiscated, the confiscated wealth would fund the government at current levels of spending for only six months. What would you do for your second act six months from now?
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Old 08-29-2011, 02:02 PM
 
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What a load of Rubbish.
Many poor Americans work a damn site harder than the rich Bankers, Doctors, Lawyers and Law makers yet work for pennies and pay and pay and pay again just to keep their heads above water.
WHY?
Because the system now in place in the USA makes it a absolute eutopia for the greedy and corrupt.
If people did get payed for actual work done.... their would be a lot of multi million dollar earners in the poor areas.
And many don't work harder. And some work smarter, and some work dumber. And some have sacrificed more and some less. Some make smart decisions and some make dumb ones.

The system now in place (or is meant to be) is capitalism. Used to be, making money was a good thing. Now it means you're evil. The way I was raised, being lazy and sponging off of society. then complaining about how evil the rich are, was evil.
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