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If reasoning gives you a headache, I don't know why in the world you should listen to me. There's about a zillion other threads here you can read instead. Tango on.
I agree with you that Congress doesn't give a rat's ass about the little man. But for you to automatically finger Boehner reeks of the same petty partisanship that you despise in Congress. Why Boehner? Why didn't you finger Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi too?
I have a big feeling you are living on the government's dole, hence this post. I am not saying I agree with these cuts, on the other hand ,none of these cuts if they happened would affect me so there would not be an outrage on my part if they happened.
This thread has evolved into a discussion on who will and will not suffer from reformation or elimination (yeah right) of entitlements.
But that's not the theme the the OP put forth. The OP put forth an argument that JOHN BOEHNER and his gang will change the face of American society. I say this is nothing but pure, unadulterated conjecture and speculation without any basis in fact. How can one possibly surmise that the society will be adversely affected by Boehner and the Super Committee without even knowing what bi-partisan ideas will be put forth?
If you recall, the Super Committee must come to an agreement, or mandatory cuts to both Democratic and Repbulican pet policies, projects, programs, agencies, etc will occur. Both sides have a vested interest in coming to an agreement. I see absolutely no reason to finger Boehner and his committee choices at this juncture. And that's not even considering that Democrats may be the actual roadblock to something effectual.
Being just a tad disingenuous, are we? John Boehner is Speaker of the House. As such he is a powerful leader within the Republican Party. I don't need to make surmises or conjecture on what his stance will be. He has already made that very plain to anyone who hasn't been sleeping under a rock this past 6 months and more. I feel none of your optimism that the Super Committee is going to all become new best friends forever. If the Dems and Repubs had that kind of leadership and that kind of ability to compromise, there would be no need for the Committee. Both sides have a vested interest in fight dirty and doing whatever it takes to get their own way. Country be damned.
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I agree with you that Congress doesn't give a rat's ass about the little man. But for you to automatically finger Boehner reeks of the same petty partisanship that you despise in Congress. Why Boehner? Why didn't you finger Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi too?
Tango on.
What are you? Boehner's PR guy? Boehner is what he is - an intransigent party hack. His game of brinkmanship helped the US to lose its AAA credit rating from S & P. At least Reid and Pelosi were willing to offer some compromise.
My goodness, it certainly is easy to push your buttons on Boehner.
Please explain how? I work part time at minimum wage only taking home $850 a month myself. What are they going to doing, steal my 20 year old beat up Ford Escort? Or maybe break into my ghetto apartment and steal my canned food?
maybe this will clear up the bottom of that brown bottle you been looking through.........
If the republicans have their way,they will abolish the minimum wage.So that $7 per hour you been making will drop to about $4. Basically they will steal your beat up ford Escort.........you won't have any money for gas......
House Speaker John Boehner’s budget proposal will change the face of the American social and political landscape - increasing poverty, putting hundreds of thousands of low income Americans out on the streets, denying medical assistance to the low income disabled and elderly, and eviscerating the SNAP or “food stamps” program. Boehner would have American Society regress to the era of the 30's as described by John Steinbeck in his great and tragic novel, “The Grapes of Wrath.”
Boehner’s plan can properly be called “class warfare,” and a significant consequence of this class warfare can't help but translate to racial warfare, as well.
As we all know by now, Boehner’s manifesto rejects all tax increases. A House GOP aide talking about the Republican members of the deficit reduction committee (“the gang of six”) said bluntly: “We appoint members to the committee, and we’re not appointing any Republicans who will vote for tax hikes.”
Instead, a $1.8 trillion reduction will come from “entitlement reforms and savings.”
This savings will be acquired over the next ten years by one of three possible methods – all equally draconian:
•Behind Door Number One: Cut Social Security and Medicare benefits heavily for current retirees - a form of political suicide that even extremists like Boehner will not actually contemplate.
•Door Number Two: Repeal the Affordable Care Act’s coverage expansions while retaining its strictures that cut Medicare payments and raise tax revenues. However, Republicans will seek to repeal many of those measures as well. (Yes, I am also confused by this last).
•Door Number Three: Completely obliterate the social safety net for low-income children, parents, senior citizens, and people with disabilities.
Absent any compromise on tax increases, there are simply no other ways to obtain $1.8 trillion in entitlement cuts within the next decade.
In addition (yes, it gets worse), House Budget Committee Chairman Paul Ryan’s own plan would slash Medicaid and health reform by $2.2 trillion. Ryan would also cut $127 billion from SNAP and reduce Pell Grants and other student financial assistance by $126 billion. Looking for an education to get you a better job or pull you solidly into the middle class? Keep looking. And remember what happened to Oliver Twist when he asked for more soup.
Previously, core assistance programs for the poor were exempted from across the board cuts by the Gramm-Rudman-Hollings law, enacted in 1985. Now, the “Cut, Cap, and Balance” bill will remove these exemptions. With an election coming up, which door are the Republicans likely to choose? Don’t all answer at once. The entitlement cuts will most heavily target the programs created for people of lesser means and, yes Virginia, less political power.
Meanwhile, the many lucrative tax breaks that benefit the wealthy and the powerful corporations have been pledged protection by Boehner who certainly shows great sympathy for the robber baron class if no one else.
Extra credit question: Who said, "This person suffering from hereditary defects costs the community $60,000 during his lifetime. Fellow Countryman, that is your money, too."
a) Charles Darwin
b) Sarah Palin
c) Office of Social Policy’s “A New People”
(hint: “C” was translated from the German)
All of the above is written in my own words. My major source for the information came from the non partisan outfit, Center on Budget and Policy Priorities: http://www.cbpp.org/files/7-25-11bud-stmt.pdf.
P*ss poor attitude copped from Bill the Cat (Remember him? Bloom County? Never mind)
PS This is NOT a diatribe directed at any member of CD (unless John Boehner became a member when I wasn’t looking), but if thinking so helps you get through another night scrounging through the dumpsters, feel free.
If this actually happens, there will be riots.
I noticed that foreign aid, ending all wars, and getting rid of subsidies was nowhere on the list, and it would also seem that even Boehner likes Student Loan Debt Slaves, because I don't see much mention of cutting the Direct Loan program.
The Republicans are too stupid to realize that there are NO FREAKING JOBS. The Democrats are too stupid to realize that they are helping see to it that there are no jobs. Rest assured, there will be rioting if what Boehner wants passes. There already is more crime. And people can riot here in California and not spend any time in jail because California is broke (and so are Nevada and Arizona) and has no room in its jails to house rioters.
The Republicans don't care that there are no freaking jobs. Political power is no longer defined by the amount of support from the people, rather it is created by huge contributions from wealthy International Corporations. In the last major election, the Dems copped to this and were pigging out at the trough with everyone else.
When every last American is unemployed, both current and FORMER members of Congress will still be receiving a stipend of around $130,000/yr or so for LIFE. This includes excellent free medical coverage. The pols will shed crocodile tears all the way to the Cayman Islands.
And you missed the part where the Republicans are indeed going to cut Pell Grants and other forms of Federal student aid by $126 million. Why educate people for jobs that don't exist? And further, remember that knowledge is power. Some of the most laughable posts around here come from people who obviously never read an entire book in their life, although they're good at mouthing the slogans their handlers want them to recite.
If people understood what was going on, you're right - there would be riots in the streets. However, I wouldn't worry about getting tear gassed any time soon.
I agree with Sacramento916.
The Government needs more cuts and now its almost impossible to do so..
Without people screaming that old people will be forced to eat dog food,etc
The same old spin we have heard for 20+ years.
Republicans hate the poor,elderly,disabled and Minorities and wish them harm.
The left wont give up on bribing with entitlements and goodies and the right..
Wont cut defense spending and wont raise taxes on anyone.
two down, bottom of the eighth inning, and averagejoe drives the 3-2 fastball over the green monster.
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Oh, good luck on that one. Have you ever tried to buy ANYTHING that wasn't made in China or Sri Lanka or where-ever, just anywhere but here? The only things I own that weren't made in China are my two cats. Oh, and my ancient Toyota truck which I bought over a Dodge because Toyota's are better made, and I have got to make that vehicle LAST.
The US was once an empire of construction which has now been replaced by one of destruction. What does this country actually MANUFACTURE anymore? Where are our steel mills, our assembly lines, our ANYTHING? We're great at dropping bombs on everyone else, so I guess our defense contracters are happy at least. Our corporations have gone multi-national and outsourced our jobs to ten year olds on assembly lines in North Korea.
We have a trillion dollar debt with the Communist Chinese, and that bill is going to come due sooner rather than later. We are going to send the world markets awash in paper dollars trying to serve that debt with the Fed being the buyer of last resort which means the Feds will flood international markets with increasingly worthless paper dollars backed by nothing.
The American Dream has become the American Illusion and we re-act like children and search for a demogogue to save us, but profligate consumption is not coming back. We are in serious trouble both as a nation and as a people unless we can stop this small minded bickering back and forth.
really? we dont build anything here in the US anymore? try again. there are four cars in my family that were all built here in the states, granted my 64 falcon and my 66 mustang are vintage care, but my 98 ford taurus and my moms 97 mercury sable were built here in the US, and so has ALL taurus/sable models since the car line was launched.
but if you want to bring manufacturing back to the US, then we are gong to have to do a few things;
1: cut regulations on business. every regulation that a business has to comply with costs money, and the more money you force a business to pay, the fewer employees they are going to have.
2: we are going to have to reform the tax code completely. we need to make it easier and less expensive for individuals and businesses to do their taxes. at the same time we can lower the tax rates and reduce or eliminate deductions.
3: we need to cut back on the power of the unions, especially the public sector unions which should be abolished in my opinion. the private sector unions are ruining american businesses by their draconian work rules, and constant demands for more money and better benefits to the detriment of their OWN members.
4: we need to reign in the power of the environmentalist movement. while i do like breathing clean air, and drinking clean water, many environmental regulations, and environmental lawsuits have gone overboard. we also need to reign in the endangered species act as well, it too has been perverted. and while i agree that we need to do what we can to protect endangered species, we also need to balance these regulations with the needs of business as well.
when we get government off the backs of business, they can, and do, respond by creating jobs. right now business is doing the most it can with the people they have, and most need more people, but there is too much uncertainty in the market place right now, what are taxes going to be in a year or two, how is the obamacare law going affect my businesses bottom line, etc. and it isnt just american businesses that are feeling the pinch either, foreign investors are also loathe to invest in this country right now because they are not sure of the returns on their investments.
If people understood what was going on, you're right - there would be riots in the streets. However, I wouldn't worry about getting tear gassed any time soon.
You need to get out more. I've been following the whole mess involving Kelly Thomas and people are stating bluntly that if there is no justice for him, if the cops that killed him don't go to jail, they will riot, because our country is corrupt and the government doesn't listen to the people. And there have been anywhere from 150 to 700 people at these protests. And some of the stuff I've seen and heard coming from people -- college students and people my parents age mostly -- is very serious and very scary.
In Utah there was such anger that they actually have been throwing out congressman. In California as soon as the Internet Tax and the teaching Gay History bills were passed petitions went out. And in every case in Utah and in California, the people were such that if they did not get their way they were muttering about rioting.
If you don't see that people are changing, and getting angrier, you really need to get out more. Its there, its an undercurrent for now. If what Boehner does passes, there will be riots. You can't just dump 46 million people off of food stamps with no jobs and dump millions off pell grants and federal aid and get away with it. There could even be military people deserting over this, and cops disbanding, given that both groups are in food stamps at least in Utah because they make so little.
I think the Republicans are just like the folks on here who think there will be no riots--incredibly ignorant of the rage out there, incredibly ignorant of the lack of jobs. They think that by cutting the budget that we will be better off. I disagree. If we don't deregulate and if we don't bring back manufacturing or do something as a country to actually lead the way to job creation, this country is going to sink and fast, particularly if the entitlements go away. I'm not going to pretend that UI or food stamps or SS cure anything or everything, but they do keep people in homes/apartments, prop up rents and home values, and keep grocery stores afloat. Even more troubling, something which might fuel the riots is entitlements getting cut while we continue to fund wars, Planned Parenthood, corn subsidies, and government pork that is not entitlements. If people are starving and hear while homeless that we're still throwing money at Israel and Libya and funding abortions and abstinence education, well, watch out.
Democrats at least have enough brain matter to realize that by keeping UI running, by keeping the food stamps and pell grants that the citizenry is mad, but not mad enough to take to the streets with pitchforks.
Republicans really, really need to wake up. Cutting off entitlements is going to create more homelessness, hunger, and RAGE. Particularly if they have nothing else to offer.
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If you're talking about a brewing class warfare with millions of Americans out of work and/or living on the dole and simmering racial tensions look no further than Barack Hussein Obama. He and his enablers in the media have been doing a great job dividing this country into the haves and have-nots, the religious and the non-religious, the Red States and the Blue States, the good poor minorities and the bad rich whites, et al.
Mindless partisan filth, right here^
While Obama and his administration have contributed to the problem, the problem existed long before Obama ever thought about running for President.
The wealthy have been conducting class warfare for decades. They know exactly what they're doing.
To believe it starts and ends with Obama is laughable.
You're either grossly disingenuous in your partisan disposition, or you're completely oblivious to the reality of the last four decades. Either way, it is inexcusable.
If you don't see that people are changing, and getting angrier, you really need to get out more. Its there, its an undercurrent for now. If what Boehner does passes, there will be riots. You can't just dump 46 million people off of food stamps with no jobs and dump millions off pell grants and federal aid and get away with it. There could even be military people deserting over this, and cops disbanding, given that both groups are in food stamps at least in Utah because they make so little.
I think the Republicans are just like the folks on here who think there will be no riots--incredibly ignorant of the rage out there, incredibly ignorant of the lack of jobs. They think that by cutting the budget that we will be better off. I disagree. If we don't deregulate and if we don't bring back manufacturing or do something as a country to actually lead the way to job creation, this country is going to sink and fast, particularly if the entitlements go away. I'm not going to pretend that UI or food stamps or SS cure anything or everything, but they do keep people in homes/apartments, prop up rents and home values, and keep grocery stores afloat. Even more troubling, something which might fuel the riots is entitlements getting cut while we continue to fund wars, Planned Parenthood, corn subsidies, and government pork that is not entitlements. If people are starving and hear while homeless that we're still throwing money at Israel and Libya and funding abortions and abstinence education, well, watch out.
Democrats at least have enough brain matter to realize that by keeping UI running, by keeping the food stamps and pell grants that the citizenry is mad, but not mad enough to take to the streets with pitchforks.
Republicans really, really need to wake up. Cutting off entitlements is going to create more homelessness, hunger, and RAGE. Particularly if they have nothing else to offer.
republicans understand a lot of things, including that what is happening in europe is on its way here. we do need to cut back on regulations, and taxes, and government spending. if we dont this country WILL go bankrupt, and then all that social spending that has been done for decades goes away completely because the government HAS NO MONEY. and if that happens, riots will be the least of our problems.
we cannot continue along the path we are on now. if we do we become like the soviet union and we go away. but we are not going to make the needed changes unless we get people in elected office that will use sound business principles to make this country more business friendly so we can grow our way out of the problems we face.
as for cutting off entitlements, even the republicans wont do that, especially not in one go. we are however going to have to ween the american people off the entitlement mentality.
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