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Old 09-05-2011, 04:54 PM
 
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Your public/private distinction is flawed, in my opinion. Our publicly elected politicians are often cronies to private interests, so what is that? When CEOs and higher ups move smoothly into political roles and assist their former companies, this the corruption of the state by private business, not the other way around.

You have a particular definition of economic freedom, but frankly a truly "free market" is impossible. The state will always institute labor laws in some way, and that's a good thing. Corporations are more powerful than they were before, and they have more influence over our politicians.

You can agree or disagree with the way the term "neoliberalism" attempts to summarize our contemporary moment, but I think that you must at least concede that this is not a move towards Communism. Frankly, I think neoliberalism is the best way to describe our political/economic system, but if we wanted to have a real discussion about it, we'd have to have recourse to a better source than the wikipedia article, and I doubt you want to do that much reading.

Anyways, let me rephrase myself:

At a time when CEO pay and corporate profits are rising, when the gap between the rich and the poor is increasing, when union membership is at a 70 year low, when we have privatized many prisons, schools, and part of our military force, and when social programs are excoriated as "entitlements" and subject to cutbacks, it is asinine to accuse the U.S. of a move towards communism. Poster after poster has described communism as an ideology based on equality, for good or for bad, and America is very obviously becoming increasingly unequal.
Ok, fair enough.

Labels do not matter, but I think we both agree that the direction were headed is not in the best interest of the country and only benefits the few at the top. And I think most can agree, we need to put a stop to it.

 
Old 09-05-2011, 04:58 PM
 
Location: Southern Minnesota
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There are countless threads (and posts) on the pages of the P&OC Forum attacking Rush Limbaugh, Glenn Beck, Michelle Bachman, Rick Perry, Sarah Palin, Christians (particularly evangelicals), Republicans et.al., and the ridicule is nasty and brutal. The only Republican I have NOT seen ridiculed is Mitt Romney and I'm not sure why he has escaped. Maybe because he is the former governor of a liberal state.

I posted pictures in this post on this thread of a May Day rally in Los Angeles of the SEIU and several communist and other organizations. So, yes, the left wing of the political spectrum is peopled by Communists. Communism stifles entrepreneurship and ambition.
I could post pictures of racist signs from Tea Party rallies, but that doesn't mean all conservatives are racists. Just because a few FRINGE people showed up at the May Day rallies does NOT mean that the labor movement is communist.
 
Old 09-05-2011, 05:02 PM
 
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I could post pictures of racist signs from Tea Party rallies,
But, could you prove they were actual Tea Party members....since the dems have been CAUGHT saying they need to infiltrate the Tea Party.....
 
Old 09-05-2011, 05:02 PM
 
Location: Southern Minnesota
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A rose by any other name is still a rose... communism by any other name is still communism... we are taking steps for government take over in areas under the guise of legislation and will be a slow osmosis toward what United Soviet Socialist Republic was. The big difference of Republican to Democrat... Republicans want to give the power to the individual states and very limited Federal Government and the Democrats want big Federal Government.
Except, of course, when it comes to gay marriage, gay adoption, and other issues of personal morality. Not to mention the PATRIOT Act, overseas wars, "homeland security, etc."
 
Old 09-05-2011, 05:05 PM
 
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The base meaning of "communism" is privilege over right.

Individual rights are an obstacle to global communism.

This is an inaccurate comment, and has nothing to do with my remarks. You either did not read my post or are out of your depth on this issue.
It is straight on, and you are incompetent to deal with it.
 
Old 09-05-2011, 05:05 PM
 
Location: Las Vegas
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Except, of course, when it comes to gay marriage, gay adoption, and other issues of personal morality. Not to mention the PATRIOT Act, overseas wars, "homeland security, etc."
Neither party is pro-freedom. The GOP talks a big game about "states rights" and "individual liberty," but their record on either issue is very very shoddy. There is no significant difference between the GOP and the Democrats. They are but two sides of the same coin.
 
Old 09-05-2011, 05:10 PM
 
Location: Neither here nor there
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I could post pictures of racist signs from Tea Party rallies, but that doesn't mean all conservatives are racists. Just because a few FRINGE people showed up at the May Day rallies does NOT mean that the labor movement is communist.
The rally was co-sponsored by SEIU and the other Communist and socialist organizations. There was also a parade and you can't march in a parade without the permission of the parade sponsors. You might find a stray right wing kook at a Tea Party rally but you won't find them in the numbers that were at that May Day parade and rally in Los Angeles. I have other pictures but didn't post all of them, and they all show the same thing......hundreds of Communists and their ilk marching and holding the signs you see.
 
Old 09-05-2011, 05:13 PM
 
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Neither party is pro-freedom. The GOP talks a big game about "states rights" and "individual liberty," but their record on either issue is very very shoddy. There is no significant difference between the GOP and the Democrats. They are but two sides of the same coin.
Pretty much.

I don't understand why so many still continue to play the left right game, when the ones in power are neither left nor right, but there to carry out the globalist agenda.

Almost makes me think there are paid shills here to keep the divide and conquer game going, or computer generated persona's.


http://www.seankerrigan.com/docs/Per...ntSoftware.pdf
 
Old 09-05-2011, 05:14 PM
 
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It is straight on, and you are incompetent to deal with it.
All that you provide are weak personal attacks with no substance or thought behind them. You say nothing about why communism is based "privilege" or what "rights" you are talking about. You have nothing to say about what communist organizations or governments actually do. You have nothing to say about how America could be seen as communist are which direction the nation is headed.

I have made my position clear and elaborated on why I think the way that I do. The original poster even agrees with my comments. Don't bother responding if you can't make an intelligent point and actually back up your position like an adult. Try stringing together more than two sentences, or maybe avoid resorting to childish cliches.
 
Old 09-05-2011, 05:15 PM
 
Location: Sierra Vista, AZ
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1) You support the existence of the federal reserve wherein, they are able to control the movement of credit in the economy through the fraudulent fractional reserve banking system.

2) Support not being able to own your land without giving money to the state.

3) Free Public education for all people

4) Centralization and Control of the transportation and communications in the country.

5) Support and welfare for the agricultural sector

6) Heads of Mega Corporations and Banks rotating between the private and public sector dictating to the rest of the country, policies they have to follow, which actually only benefit themselves. Then the smaller guys collapse and these banks and corps get bigger, as intended with the heads of state making out like bandits.

7) The Military Industrial Complex and heads of state controlling and contributing to their interests and power.

8) Police state - (militarization of the police force, TSA, Patriotic Act, monitoring citizens etc)

9) Free Healthcare for everyone

10) Free Public Housing for everyone

11) Free distribution of food for everyone

12) Globalism and the New World Order to follow

I could go on but it is pointless you don't understand Corporate Fascism from Communism


So now were at number 9, and now people are speaking out against these policies. Why so late in the game? Is it because it is going a little bit to far when it is at your expense. Afterall, it is you that needs to be taking from others, how dare others want to take from you!

Many people seem to not have any problem with the state, in the last 50 years, overthrowing dictators, or even democratically elected leaders, nor installing dictators, and building corporations and bases overseas to fatten their wealth and power...by stealing, pillaging and raping others around the planet. OR by propping up the US Dollar as the reserve currency so they can steal more wealth from people around the world.

Thank god that is slowly ending and people are dropping the dollar around the world. Some thieves and parasites are going to have to put on their BOOTSTRAPS and actually earn their keep rather than stealing it from others.


The policies that have been taking place around the world by the US is THEFT.

But someone wants to take something from them, and by GOD their speechless. Its bass ackwards since through their success, they should be taking it from YOU.
Obviously you have no clue what a Communist is:

1.There would be no Federal Reserve under a Communist system it would be Nationalized

2. There would be no taxes on Private Land because there would be no Private Land

3.How horrible that Communist would support Public Education

4. You mean they would control Conrail and Amtrak

5. You mean no Farm Subsidies for the Mega Farms

6 There would be no corporations under Communism

7. That is Fascism a Right wing Dictatorship

8. Once again you are confusing Fascism with Communism, a Communist State would have a Peoples Army, without a Military Industrial Complex

9. Every other Industrialized Country in the world provides Health Care
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