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View Poll Results: Which is a bigger threat to America?
Homosexuality 1 9.09%
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Old 09-13-2011, 04:22 PM
 
Location: Mississippi
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All the DNA tests show is that a male Jefferson fathered some of her children. There were other Jefferson males other than Thomas and they were present at Monticello at the right times.
Again this is a myth. You have provided no direct, compelling evidence linking Thomas Jefferson to a negro slave woman.

This myth originated by Jefferson's political opponents up North, it can be linked by a slanderous newspaper article circa 1802.
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Old 09-13-2011, 04:35 PM
 
Location: SW Pennsylvania
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I don't know, but I think the way some people have baby after baby who can't take care of them properly are more harmful to society than what two consenting adults do in the bedroom.

Shows like 16 and Pregnant and talk shows like Maury Povich ("I slept with 20 men and I don't know my baby daddy!") highlight the dysfunction in some of the straight community. Also more than likely, those mothers are on public assistance and fathers are no where to be found. But no....let's be concerned about what Tom and Harry does in the bedroom......make sense!

Before I receive nasty messages, I want to point out that I have no agenda and that I am a straight male who feels this way.
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Old 09-13-2011, 04:42 PM
 
Location: Mississippi
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He did not. Look it up for yourself.

ETA: Never mind: you won't. Here's the document.

Amendment VIII: Thomas Jefferson, A Bill for Proportioning Crimes and Punishments

Memoirs, Correspondence and Private Papers of Thomas Jefferson ..., Volume 1 By Thomas Jefferson

page 127 and 128, read Jefferson's personal notes..
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Old 09-13-2011, 04:55 PM
 
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his memory must go back to May 1995, Oklahoma is not immune to terror attacks.
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Old 09-13-2011, 05:11 PM
 
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Again this is a myth. You have provided no direct, compelling evidence linking Thomas Jefferson to a negro slave woman.

This myth originated by Jefferson's political opponents up North, it can be linked by a slanderous newspaper article circa 1802.
Several years ago DNA testing was done on male descendants of Sally Hemmings and male descendants of the Jefferson line. The Y chromosome is the same in all male children of a single father and the male children pass this one chromosome on to all of their male children. The results of the DNA testing showed that a Jefferson male was the antecedent of those descended from Sally Hemmings. The Y chromosome in her male descendants was the same as the Y chromosome of the other male Jefferson descendants. This only proves that a Jefferson male fathered her children, not that it was Thomas Jefferson himself although investigators have concluded that Thomas Jefferson was the likely father of one or more of her children.

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Thomas Jefferson and Sally Hemings: A Brief Account « Thomas Jefferson
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Old 09-13-2011, 05:38 PM
 
Location: Mississippi
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Several years ago DNA testing was done on male descendants of Sally Hemmings and male descendants of the Jefferson line. The Y chromosome is the same in all male children of a single father and the male children pass this one chromosome on to all of their male children. The results of the DNA testing showed that a Jefferson male was the antecedent of those descended from Sally Hemmings. The Y chromosome in her male descendants was the same as the Y chromosome of the other male Jefferson descendants. This only proves that a Jefferson male fathered her children, not that it was Thomas Jefferson himself although investigators have concluded that Thomas Jefferson was the likely father of one or more of her children.

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Thomas Jefferson and Sally Hemings: A Brief Account « Thomas Jefferson
Your Post does not prove Thomas Jefferson had a sexual relationship with a negro slave woman.

Read Burgess v Chase-Riboud...see how this myth began..

"Speculation about the private lives of public figures has been a popular pastime in this country for as long as there have been newspapers, but it is a rare occurrence when a story which originated as an item of malicious gossip in the early 1800's becomes the basis of a lawsuit nearly 200 years later."


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Old 09-13-2011, 05:43 PM
 
Location: Charlotte
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Your Post does not prove Thomas Jefferson had a sexual relationship with a negro slave woman.

Read Burgess v Chase-Riboud...see how this myth began..

"Speculation about the private lives of public figures has been a popular pastime in this country for as long as there have been newspapers, but it is a rare occurrence when a story which originated as an item of malicious gossip in the early 1800's becomes the basis of a lawsuit nearly 200 years later."


Thomas Jefferson hemings - Google Scholar

He didn't say that it did. He said, Repeatedly, that DNA proves that A Jefferson Male fathered the children not a Specific Jefferson Male (aka Thomas).

Read
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Old 09-13-2011, 05:57 PM
 
Location: Mississippi
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He didn't say that it did. He said, Repeatedly, that DNA proves that A Jefferson Male fathered the children not a Specific Jefferson Male (aka Thomas).

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From Burgess v. Chase-Riboud:


"The story was discredited in the standard biography of Jefferson, Jefferson and His Time by Dumas Malone (6 vols; Little Brown, Boston, 1948-81) and was rebutted at length in The Jefferson Scandals by Virginius Dabney (Dodd, Mead & Co., New York, 1981), which declared that the father of Sally Hemings' children had been one or more of Jefferson's nephews, who were frequent visitors to Monticello. This explanation had long been the position of Jefferson's family."


Thomas Jefferson hemings - Google Scholar
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Old 09-13-2011, 06:00 PM
 
Location: Mississippi
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"It is also a fact that there are no surviving letters from Jefferson to Sally Hemings. There is no evidence that Sally Hemings could read or write. There is not a single reference to Sally Hemings in any of the hundreds of letters of Jefferson's that survive."

Burgess v. Chase-Riboud, 765 F. Supp. 233 - Dist. Court, ED Pennsylvania 1991
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Old 09-13-2011, 06:09 PM
 
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The court regarding references linking Jefferson and Hemings..."seemingly unconnected details, rumors, and opinions,"
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