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Well, it does matter because there is a difference between the two.
I'm not disputing the fact that the man was perfectly within his rights to open carry but for christ sakes....$600,000 for a couple of skinned knees?
I will say again, he HAD to know that strolling down the street carrying a .45 would attract some attention and he got EXACTLY what he was looking for.
no more like $600,000 for violating the mans civil rights. if the guy was legally allowed to own a firearm, and there is no law against open carry, then why are the police even bothering the man? and even if they had a "concerned citizen" make a 911 call, the officers did not have to force the man to the ground at gun point to find out that he was a law abiding citizen exercising his constitutional rights.
uhm, where was i advocating for a police state? what i was saying take all the people who claim the US is sime kind of heavy handed police state, and have them live in russia for a couple of years, and then come back home and note the differences. remember in russia there is NO freedom of speech, and NO right to keep and bear arms. instead of trying to spin what i say into your own fantasy, try some reading comprehension once.
He's not going to win a damn dime. Key words here- "He was in an area where there have been recent reports of suspicious activity", which encompasses just about 99.9% of American streets. Due process is as fable.
It is enforcement of a law which doesn't exist anywhere except in the empty space between these cops ears.
Police have a responsibility to uphold the law.
I believe it is reasonable to interact and question people in the performance of this duty.
I'm not concerned the police responded to a call or calls and questioned this man concerning carrying a firearm -
I am concerned and saddened by how the police carried out this task and feel they may have violated his rights.
If the police respectfully requested the man's identification and ran a check on him to verify he did indeed have the constitutional right to carry a firearm - which is suspended in the case of felons or those convicted of other crimes related to domestic abuse, I would not have a problem with this.
I believe police in this country walk a fine line between duty and abuse but I place the majority of blame for this on our government and the training they receive.
I do not think the other posters comment is unreasonable.
no more like $600,000 for violating the mans civil rights. if the guy was legally allowed to own a firearm, and there is no law against open carry, then why are the police even bothering the man? and even if they had a "concerned citizen" make a 911 call, the officers did not have to force the man to the ground at gun point to find out that he was a law abiding citizen exercising his constitutional rights.
Why were they bothering the guy? Really?
Seriously, where are you guys from that a person with a holstered .45 walks down the street on a regular occurance? I really want to know. I find it VERY hard to believe that all of you would just assume that someone carrying a gun down the street is just minding his own business.
Seriously, where are you guys from that a person with a holstered .45 walks down the street on a regular occurance? I really want to know. I find it VERY hard to believe that all of you would just assume that someone carrying a gun down the street is just minding his own business.
well first ask yourself, if someone is carrying openly, is it more or less likely that they will commit a crime? it has already been shown from FBI statistics that criminals will conceal any weapons they have to gain the advantage of surprise, especially if they are NOT legally allowed to own a firearm.
here in arizona it used to be a regular occurrence that someone would open carry a firearm as it is legal here, as is concealed carry, AS LONG AS you are legally allowed to own a firearm.
well first ask yourself, if someone is carrying openly, is it more or less likely that they will commit a crime?
I haven't got the foggiest clue. Your question is impossible to answer. All I know is that there is a person in front of me with a gun on their hip that isn't a uniformed police officer. Their intentions, criminal or otherwise, will not be abundantly clear at the offset. In that case I am going to use common sense and assume that the person with the gun means to do harm to me or someone else.
It's like if I see a snake in the woods. I know some are non-venomous but upon inital discovery I am going to react as if it's a venomous one. You know that old saying....."Better safe than sorry"
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it has already been shown from FBI statistics that criminals will conceal any weapons they have to gain the advantage of surprise, especially if they are NOT legally allowed to own a firearm.
To use a term from my childhood....NO DUH. It's also completely possible that a rather wiley criminal will begin to open carry if it's widely know that open carriers are not "hassled by the man", as you and so many other have suggested need to take place.
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here in arizona it used to be a regular occurrence that someone would open carry a firearm as it is legal here, as is concealed carry, AS LONG AS you are legally allowed to own a firearm.
Use to be as in Old West times? Like when Billy the Kid roamed the streets?
Police have a responsibility to uphold the law.
I believe it is reasonable to interact and question people in the performance of this duty.
I'm not concerned the police responded to a call or calls and questioned this man concerning carrying a firearm -
I am concerned and saddened by how the police carried out this task and feel they may have violated his rights.
If the police respectfully requested the man's identification and ran a check on him to verify he did indeed have the constitutional right to carry a firearm - which is suspended in the case of felons or those convicted of other crimes related to domestic abuse, I would not have a problem with this.
I believe police in this country walk a fine line between duty and abuse but I place the majority of blame for this on our government and the training they receive.
I do not think the other posters comment is unreasonable.
Police are not allowed to investigate crime without probable cause.
I haven't got the foggiest clue. Your question is impossible to answer. All I know is that there is a person in front of me with a gun on their hip that isn't a uniformed police officer. Their intentions, criminal or otherwise, will not be abundantly clear at the offset. In that case I am going to use common sense and assume that the person with the gun means to do harm to me or someone else.
prejudiced in other areas of your life also?
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It's like if I see a snake in the woods. I know some are non-venomous but upon inital discovery I am going to react as if it's a venomous one. You know that old saying....."Better safe than sorry"
in other words rather than take the time to educate yourself, you would rather jump to conclusions regardless of the situation. gotcha.
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To use a term from my childhood....NO DUH. It's also completely possible that a rather wiley criminal will begin to open carry if it's widely know that open carriers are not "hassled by the man", as you and so many other have suggested need to take place.
really? you think that criminals will start to open carry their weapons, despite the fact that if they are caught illegally carrying a weapon, especially a firearm, that they are looking at 5 years in prison just for having the weapon? do you really think they are that stupid?
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Use to be as in Old West times? Like when Billy the Kid roamed the streets?
yeah, and as little as 15 years ago as well. try educating yourself instead of getting hysterical just because you see someone openly carrying a firearm.
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