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Old 09-15-2011, 10:36 AM
 
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An office is a position held by an office holder. Hence the word "official". Not a council. And do you think there is some mind-control rays that make them settle disputes aginst the best interests of their own nation? Perhaps you should lend Obama your tinfoil hat?
wordplay. means nothing. tomato/tomatoe...dollar/greenback...It's still a foreign office/seat that Obama took. it's a conflict of interest. end of discussion.

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Old 09-15-2011, 12:17 PM
 
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the UN is the foreign office/state.
The UN is not a foreign state. It's an Non-Governmental Organization hosting discussions among over 200 nation states around the world.
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Old 09-15-2011, 12:23 PM
 
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The UN is not a foreign state. It's an Non-Governmental Organization hosting discussions among over 200 nation states around the world.
Then what do you call this:

The UN Charter:

[SIZE=1]The full charter is available at (http://www.un.org/aboutun/charter/)[/SIZE].

After the bloodshed and destruction of World War II, the victorious Allied states pledged that history would not repeat itself and, toward that end, agreed to establish a new global organization that would be set up with the goal of preserving peace among nations. In 1945, at the San Francisco Conference, the United States, the United Kingdom, the Soviet Union, and China jointly agreed upon the terms for the charter of what would soon thereafter become the United Nations. Signed by 51 states, the charter formally entered into force on October 24, 1945.

The U.N. was unlike its predecessor, the League of Nations, in one crucial respect: While the league had no enforcement powers, the U.N. was set up to ensure that its mandates would be followed. Specifically, the charter laid out a collective security system through which the Security Council-made up of the leading powers of the United Kingdom, China, France, the U.S.S.R., and the United States-could determine when a threat to or breach of international peace and security had occurred and, to remedy the situation, impose binding measures (economic, military, or other) against the offending state.

Soon after the U.N. came into effect, the Cold War broke out. For several decades, the Security Council was plagued by infighting between the U.S.S.R. and the United States-each vetoing those resolutions supported by the other. As a result, the enforcement mechanisms of the Security Council were not practically available. This all changed when the Cold War came to a close.

The U.N. Charter is binding law in the United States. Under Article 6, clause 2 of the U.S. Constitution, treaties-of which the U.N. Charter is one-are considered the supreme law of the land. Article 103 of the U.N. Charter makes clear that the charter supercedes all other conflicting treaties. It says: "In the event of conflict between the obligations of the Members of the United Nations under the present Charter and their obligations under any other international agreement, their obligations under the present Charter shall prevail."
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Sounds to me like they want some or all of the power in the long run.
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Old 09-15-2011, 12:25 PM
 
Location: Brooklyn
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Sounds to me like they want some or all of the power in the long run.
You may have noticed that the U.N. Charter went into effect in the fall of 1945. So I suggest that you need to start petitioning for the retroactive impeachment of President Truman.
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Old 09-15-2011, 01:06 PM
 
Location: The Land of Reason
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In the Constitution it states:

Article I, Section 9.

No Title of Nobility shall be granted by the United States: And no Person holding any Office of Profit or Trust under them, shall without the Consent of the Congress, accept of any present, Emolument, Office, or Title, of any kind whatever, from any King, Prince, or foreign State.

So your beloved Barry is doing illegal moves in plain sight against America
Actually you are right, well uh sort of. He like approx 90% of the politicians hold the title of barrister or lawyer. Which technically is a title which comes from the BAR Association. Do you still want to push your misunderstood impeachment hearings? Actually who could legally attend them anyway?
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Old 09-15-2011, 03:19 PM
 
Location: Wasilla, Alaska
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doooood!...did you hear me? THIS WAS NOT NATIONAL NEWS. No matter when it was published. do you realize that? This guy pull an Unconstitutional stunt and all you got is "admit you didn't know it was 2 years old?"... ok, I admit it, you know why I can, BECAUSE I DIDN'T KNOW, and neither did you or you would have something more of substance to add. how about you stop trolling and speak this Unconstitutional act by your beloved Barry the Slickster??!!!
Actually, it did make national news:
Apparently everyone knew about it at the time, except you.
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Old 09-15-2011, 03:31 PM
 
Location: Wasilla, Alaska
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The U.N. Charter is binding law in the United States. Under Article 6, clause 2 of the U.S. Constitution, treaties-of which the U.N. Charter is one-are considered the supreme law of the land. Article 103 of the U.N. Charter makes clear that the charter supercedes all other conflicting treaties. It says: "In the event of conflict between the obligations of the Members of the United Nations under the present Charter and their obligations under any other international agreement, their obligations under the present Charter shall prevail."
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Sounds to me like they want some or all of the power in the long run.
UN Covenants are indeed treated as treaties under the US Constitution. However, like all treaties, they must first obtain the consent of the Senate before they can be ratified by the President. Thus far, the only UN Covenants that have been ratified by the US are those that were originally submitted by the US.

Clinton submitted six UN Covenants to the Senate for their approval during his two terms, none of them originating from the US. None of them even reached the Senate floor for a vote (thank you Sen. Jesse Helms). Therefore, they are not part of the Supreme Law of the Land.

Even the UN resolution Obama had passed by the UN Security Council will have no effect on US law if the Senate does not give their approval first.
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Old 09-15-2011, 03:34 PM
 
Location: Littleton, CO
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This is a gross conflict of interest!!!!!
And where... exactly... is the conflict?
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Old 09-15-2011, 03:35 PM
 
Location: Littleton, CO
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In the Constitution it states:

Article I, Section 9.

No Title of Nobility shall be granted by the United States: And no Person holding any Office of Profit or Trust under them, shall without the Consent of the Congress, accept of any present, Emolument, Office, or Title, of any kind whatever, from any King, Prince, or foreign State.
1. The UN is not a King, Prince, or foreign state.

2. What makes you believe this does not have the consent of congress?
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Old 09-15-2011, 03:42 PM
 
Location: Wasilla, Alaska
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1. The UN is not a King, Prince, or foreign state.

2. What makes you believe this does not have the consent of congress?
You are not the first to point these basic facts out to the OP. Ron Paul is also unable to grasp these simple facts:

Obama To Be First President To Chair UN Security Council | Ron Paul 2012 | Sound Money, Peace and Liberty (http://www.dailypaul.com/106644/obama-to-be-first-president-to-chair-un-security-council - broken link)
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