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Old 09-23-2011, 12:26 PM
 
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yes
Article 2.


(1)A foreign child of less than 5 years age who is adopted by a citizen of the Republic of Indonesia acquires the citizenship of the Republic of Indonesia, if such an adoption is declared legal by the Pengadilan Negeri at the residence of the person adopting the child.
(2)Said declaration of legality by the Pengadilan Negeri shall be requested by the person adopting the child within 1 year after such an adoption or within 1 year after enforcement of this law.

who can say that this didn't happen? He was Barry Soetoro, not Barack Hussein Obama.

You ignored a vital part of your post. Obama was 5 years of age. HE couldn't be adopted by Indonesia law. The law says : A foreign child of less than 5 years age :

 
Old 09-23-2011, 12:27 PM
 
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The Wong Kim Ark decision clearly states if the parents are not citizens the birth child is not a Art. II natural born citizen. The child may be a citizen if both parents have a permanent residency or domicil.
It absolutely does not say this, and no misrepresentation on your part changes that fact

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If Obama was born in Hawaii...his father being a temporary stay visitor fails to meet the subject to jurisdiction in the 14th amendment.
Only white supremacists and racists use the "14th amendment citizen" excuse
 
Old 09-23-2011, 12:30 PM
 
Location: Mississippi
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Americans who have sons and daughters being sent to war need to know the person sending them is fraudulent president.

Obama is not a natural born Citizen as required by the Constitution. The Supreme Court in an unanimous decision defined a natural born citizen:

"At common-law, with the nomenclature of which the framers of the Constitution were familiar, it was never doubted that all children born in a country of parents who were its citizens became themselves, upon their birth, citizens also. These were natives, or natural-born citizens, as distinguished from aliens or foreigners."
 
Old 09-23-2011, 12:33 PM
 
Location: Littleton, CO
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Americans who have sons and daughters being sent to war need to know the person sending them is fraudulent president.
Do not presume to speak for anybody other than yourself.
 
Old 09-23-2011, 12:36 PM
 
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Americans who have sons and daughters being sent to war need to know the person sending them is fraudulent president.
not according to the real and sane world

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Obama is not a natural born Citizen as required by the Constitution. The Supreme Court in an unanimous decision defined a natural born citizen:

"At common-law, with the nomenclature of which the framers of the Constitution were familiar, it was never doubted that all children born in a country of parents who were its citizens became themselves, upon their birth, citizens also. These were natives, or natural-born citizens, as distinguished from aliens or foreigners."
your reading comprehension is not our problem.

If we were take your unsupported definition, then parents who didn't have more than one child (it says CHILDREN - children means more than 1), meant that their only child wasn't a citizen. This also includes: single parent mothers, mothers who do invitro.

Reading comprehension sucks for birthers.
 
Old 09-23-2011, 12:38 PM
 
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This is a lie. The decision says nothing even vaguely resembling this.
You cannot back up your statement and you know it. There is nothing in the Wong Kim Ark decision that states a natural born citizen is born to an alien father.
 
Old 09-23-2011, 12:40 PM
 
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You cannot back up your statement and you know it.
You've yet to bakc up any of yours. You speak for yourself, and yourself only. We do not and 200 years of legal findings do not support your definition of citizen

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There is nothing in the Wong Kim Ark decision that states a natural born citizen is born to an alien father.
Wong Kim Ark specifically states that born on US soil is enough to become a citizen.

Not our problem that you can't understand a court ruling, but it seems the courts have no problem in understanding it:

Akeny v Indiana

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Based upon the language of Article II, Section 1, Clause 4 and the guidance provided by Wong Kim Ark, we conclude that persons born within the borders of the United States are “natural born Citizens” for Article II, Section 1 purposes, regardless of the citizenship of their parents. Just as a person “born within the British dominions [was] a natural-born British subject” at the time of the framing of the U.S. Constitution, so too were those “born in the allegiance of the United States [] natural-born citizens.”15
 
Old 09-23-2011, 12:41 PM
 
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not according to the real and sane world

your reading comprehension is not our problem.

If we were take your unsupported definition, then parents who didn't have more than one child (it says CHILDREN - children means more than 1), meant that their only child wasn't a citizen. This also includes: single parent mothers, mothers who do invitro.

Reading comprehension sucks for birthers.

Where does it say a natural born citizen is born to an alien father show us:


"At common-law, with the nomenclature of which the framers of the Constitution were familiar, it was never doubted that all children born in a country of parents who were its citizens became themselves, upon their birth, citizens also. These were natives, or natural-born citizens, as distinguished from aliens or foreigners."

The definition provided by Chief Justice White is clear and concise. If you are not a natural born citizen, are not born to citizen parents you are a foreigner or an alien.
 
Old 09-23-2011, 12:42 PM
 
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Did Pat Boone ever sing anything that wasn't written and done first by blacks?
I don't think you should smear blacks like that.

More seriously, who care what Pat Boone thinks about anything?
 
Old 09-23-2011, 12:43 PM
 
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Where does it say a natural born citizen is born to an alien father show us:


"At common-law, with the nomenclature of which the framers of the Constitution were familiar, it was never doubted that all children born in a country of parents who were its citizens became themselves, upon their birth, citizens also. These were natives, or natural-born citizens, as distinguished from aliens or foreigners."
Reading comprehension fail. That passage you quote is relation to those born on US Soil. Since they aren't aliens or foreigners since being BORN here means you are a citizen. ITs RIGHT IN THAT quote.

It had nothing to do with the PARENTS.


Akeny v Indiana

Based upon the language of Article II, Section 1, Clause 4 and the guidance provided by Wong Kim Ark, we conclude that persons born within the borders of the United States are “natural born Citizens” for Article II, Section 1 purposes, regardless of the citizenship of their parents. Just as a person “born within the British dominions [was] a natural-born British subject” at the time of the framing of the U.S. Constitution, so too were those “born in the allegiance of the United States [] natural-born citizens.”15






your reading comprehension is not our problem.

If we were take your unsupported definition, then parents who didn't have more than one child (it says CHILDREN - children means more than 1), meant that their only child wasn't a citizen. This also includes: single parent mothers, mothers who do invitro.

Reading comprehension sucks for birthers.
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