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Well, I had already filed a complaint with the City of Virginia Beach, but heard nothing from them. They use electronic voting machines and there is no way to ensure that what you voted and what they tallied are the same thing. There should be 2 hard copies produced, one that I can keep, and one that they can keep.
If the machine I voted on dies, how are the votes tallied. If the machine smokes itself, (Yes Virginia, computers can and do fail), what happens to the votes on it?
In fact is there any way shape or form, that we as voters can verify that who we voted on, actually received the votes? At least with punch cards we could visibly see the punches, and the cards were hard evidence of our votes, (Yes Mr Gore, having thousands of voters who cannot push a pin through is priceless), and even with it's minor issue, was in fact a verifiable way of seeing the votes.
Now we have to take it on faith that our votes are tallied properly. We should at least get a print out, that we can hand someone who can place it with the others so there is a hard copy for reference if ever needed.
We (Londonderry, NH) use voting machines that electronically read and tally the votes. The marked ballot is kept in the machine or securely stored in case a recount is needed. This is a proper meld of the efficiency of machinery with the security of a hard copy ballot. I do not see why any voting place would, unless there was a preexisting plan to throw the election, to ever use a non verifiable system. I do not know why voters would tolerate it.
I think we should just use the old punch card ballots. At my voting place, I don't hear any printer working under the machine after I touch the cast my vote button on the screen. Presumably, the computer just records the vote on the card's chip.
As a computer guy it amazes me that for something like elections we'd consider using computers. Who hasn't had a computer crash? Who hasn't seen a computer get hacked?
We (Londonderry, NH) use voting machines that electronically read and tally the votes. The marked ballot is kept in the machine or securely stored in case a recount is needed. This is a proper meld of the efficiency of machinery with the security of a hard copy ballot. I do not see why any voting place would, unless there was a preexisting plan to throw the election, to ever use a non verifiable system. I do not know why voters would tolerate it.
100% agree.
It should all be verifiable. I mean how friggin hard can it be? They ever heard of ATM's?
As a computer guy it amazes me that for something like elections we'd consider using computers. Who hasn't had a computer crash? Who hasn't seen a computer get hacked?
It amazes me that a computer guy would distrust computers so much. But then, if such computer guys dominate the computer scene, I would have no choice either. So let me ask you, what exactly is it about computers that makes you feel so insecure? A crash isn't a sufficient response (if you happen to be a computer guy, that is).
It should all be verifiable. I mean how friggin hard can it be? They ever heard of ATM's?
Funny, but that's what I thought about when I first heard about people all in a tither over e-voting. We trust computers with access to our bank accounts, do probably millions of transactions a day with debit cards, credit cards and atms...but a simple vote counter can't be secure?
And yet...asking for identification is an unacceptable burdin at the polling place...
It's ironic to me that the same people that are afraid of errors associated with electronic voting machines are often the same people that oppose simple efforts (ID) to reduce voter fraud.
As a computer guy it amazes me that for something like elections we'd consider using computers. Who hasn't had a computer crash? Who hasn't seen a computer get hacked?
It amazes me that a computer guy would distrust computers so much. But then, if such computer guys dominate the computer scene, I would have no choice either. So let me ask you, what exactly is it about computers that makes you feel so insecure? A crash isn't a sufficient response (if you happen to be a computer guy, that is).
As a computer guy myself, I can tell you that most computers are inherently unsafe. If you have a macintosh computer, I can probably hack into your computer in under 45 seconds, and understand, that's slow, a good hacker can probably get in, in under 10 seconds.
Computers crash and fail on a day to day basis, and are easily hacked, that includes ATM's.
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