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I find it funny how most of the same conservatives who will rail on about deadbeats sucking off of welfare, and yell how people "need to get a job", will go to church on sunday, and talk about family values. Yeah that's exactly the message christ gave about the poor "Amen, i say unto you, stop sucking off the dole you lazy bum".
Okay, I've read a lot of posts here the past couple of years, and I've often put out the accusation that most conservatives hate poor people. Conservatives, of course vehemently deny it and say that they don't know anyone who feels that way, so I thought I'd start this thread and ask this honest question. What is your attitude toward the poor?
1. Are they mostly people who have had hard luck?
2. Or are they worthless scum and are a drain on society?
3. Is there such a thing as "working poor" in your mind? And if so, about what portion of America's poor do you deem to be "working poor."
4. What would you do if you witnessed poverty in your own life--not if YOU became poor, but if you came into contact with a poor person, child or family?
5. Do you or have you done anything to help relieve poverty in your community? If so, what do you do? I'm not asking you to brag, but just share if you do.
You might think I'm trolling, but I'm actually curious, since you all deny that you hate poor people. I promise I'll read your responses with an open mnd. I swear.
Thanks
mackinac
I don't hate poor people. In any free and democratic society there will always be poor people. Conversely, in a socialist society, all people are generally poor. You can look at the USSR to see that.
I think there are people on welfare who have been conditioned to believe that handouts are a way of life. I also believe that there are people who have fallen on hard times...whether it is because of lost employmet, illness or some other uncontollable event.
What we need to get away from is the idea that people are OWED a living. And what is being demonstrated on Wall Street right now is more about THAT than anything else. We saw the same thing happen in London not too long ago...people rioting in the streets because they felt that they were entitled to the same kind of a living that rich people have. That is purely and simply nonsense.
While I agree that corporations are greedy, and don't give a DAMN about the poor...it isn't their duty to do something about it. They are in business to make money. Period. They OWE it to their shareholders to do so to the best of their abilities.
And the government doesn't OWE any able bodied person anything either. We are all free to find our own way..which is the beauty of a capitalistic society. We are free to pursue an education that makes us employable. And while employment is never guaranteed, having training certainly enhances your chances. And through ingenuity and hard work, people can even start their own businesses and make a good living. Again...due to the kind of a country we live in.
Where the government goes WRONG...especially the current administration...is that they encourage dependency on the government. we see it in their attitudes towards illegal immigrants. Perfectly willing to get them set up on welfare...medicaid....and give them free education. Why would they do that? So that when they eventually give these people amnesty, and the right to vote (and that is coming soon)...they will vote for the party that extended this generosity to them...that being the liberal democrats. The same party that is doing NOTHING about the hoardes pouring over our borders and sucking our social programs dry. The same party of the President who is currently blocking States from protecting themselves against the overwhelming influx of illegal and undocumented people into their systems by suing them in federal court and having their legislation declared unconstitutional.
I believe that there is such a thing as 'working poor'. Those people are generally the unskilled labor force. And they are the working poor because the good manufacturing jobs are all gone overseas now. The government could do something about this, but they don't. They could impose a high tariff on the goods these American companies have imported BACK into the US to sell. The government could abolish NAFTA...but they won't because the system is corrupt. The pockets of lawmakers are lined with $$ from lobbyists...many of whom represent foreign countries interests.
Conservatives don't hate poor people. We hate the attitude of people who think the government needs to spend our tax dollars on supporting able bodied people for life. We hate the idea of the government coddling to illegal immigrants....people who have broken our LAWS...and handing them our money. Which....in case anyone hasn't noticed...is mostly LOANED from China. Certainly everyone deserves a chance...but a government that promotes the idea of dependency is not the answer.
I find it funny how most of the same conservatives who will rail on about deadbeats sucking off of welfare, and yell how people "need to get a job", will go to church on sunday, and talk about family values. Yeah that's exactly the message christ gave about the poor "Amen, i say unto you, stop sucking off the dole you lazy bum".
Wait... so if you support family values, you also have to support deadbeats?
I find it funny how most of the same conservatives who will rail on about deadbeats sucking off of welfare, and yell how people "need to get a job", will go to church on sunday, and talk about family values. Yeah that's exactly the message christ gave about the poor "Amen, i say unto you, stop sucking off the dole you lazy bum".
Don't be ridiculous. If the government cleaned up their act, there would be plenty of resources and plenty of jobs to go around for all...and that includes the welfare whores who have made government assisted living their way of life.
The government needs to FIX what is broken. Reduce government regualtions on businesses and create an atmosphere where manufactuing and business in general THRIVES. Reduce corporate taxes and create incentives for businesses who CREATE jobs, and put AMERICANS back to work. Make doing business in the UNITED STATES more attractive than doing business abroad!!
We don't need to drive business out of our country. We need to keep them here...and if that happens...that means JOBS. And the government does nothing but make it more and more difficult for companies to survive here...and easier for them to leave.
there are people who need help to get by...and if they truly need that help, I am not against them getting it. We need to take care of them. But I will be DAMNED if I ever think it is right to hand over money to illegal immigrants who have broken our laws coming here...OR hand out welfare checks to people who are on it for life and feel they are entitled to it.
I favor..>WORK for welfare. I favor drug testing welfare recipients. I favor WEANING them off of that system!! Welfare should be short term...not LIFE term.
The teachings of Jesus Christ have nothing to do with entitlements.
I have mixed views of the so called poor. I have had situations where people go out of their way for the so called poor, give money, use connections to get a job for some and they don't show up. Some don't want to work. I am not talking about a low paying job , I am talking about connections that get one a good job and they don't show up.
Also there are ones who complain about being poor , yet go to concerts, baseball games and complain that they don't have money for this or that.always asking for money , and never paying anyone back.. They have bad priorities..
I feel bad for those who are truly poor. The ones who are grateful for the helping hand and really work hard to get on their feet.
Then there are the freeloaders. The complainers, the ones who want everything handed to them and they get hostile about it.
There are all kinds of people. I have seen some go without and won't ask for a hand out. These are the ones I wish they would take a hand out but their pride won't let them. Sometimes one must give without them knowing who gave it.
There are the ones who have much and yet still ask for more and cry the blues to get something for free. These are the worst. They laugh about it as if they are smart and got one over on someone but really they have no character.
The users and freeloaders make it bad for the rest of the ones who are truly poor. Initially one doesn't know what the person's plight is , but eventually one sees what they are, the user or the truly poor.
Well, it is a lot easier to have one hand on the bottle and the other hand ready for you to drop what you can in the other. Rather than apply for the job at McDonald's that you happen to be seating in front of, that has a "Help Wanted" sign in the window.
Saw this the other day young couple both not even 25 seating with a sign that read......living in our car please give what you can. There was a McDonald's and a Taco Bell behind them and both had "Help Wanted" signs in the window.
Well, it is a lot easier to have one hand on the bottle and the other hand ready for you to drop what you can in the other. Rather than apply for the job at McDonald's that you happen to be seating in front of, that has a "Help Wanted" sign in the window.
Saw this the other day young couple both not even 25 seating with a sign that read......living in our car please give what you can. There was a McDonald's and a Taco Bell behind them and both had "Help Wanted" signs in the window.
Do fast food places hire the homeless, 3? Where do they shower? What address do they put down on the application? Let's say they both get jobs. They would get an average of around 30 hours a week, at $7 an hour that's $210 each x 2 = $420 x 4 = $1680. Is that enough for rent, utilities, food, etc?
1, 2 and 3: Yes, there are people in all three categories and I don't think we know how many.
And all of my charitable contributions are local.
Actually, conservatives care more for the poor than liberals. We contribute our OWN money and resources. Liberals want to give OTHER PEOPLE'S MONEY to the poor. There is a huge difference.
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Liberals like the OP substitute phony emotions and stereotypes in place of actual material resources. This is the same phony crapola charge thrown at "Christians".
But when the charge is thrown back in the accuser is asked what they are doing to walk their ideology.......the cricket orchestra starts playing.
So, how many poor people did this topic feed - maybe ZERO???
God forbid if you actually had to "associate" with the poor!
I find it funny how most of the same conservatives who will rail on about deadbeats sucking off of welfare, and yell how people "need to get a job", will go to church on sunday, and talk about family values. Yeah that's exactly the message christ gave about the poor "Amen, i say unto you, stop sucking off the dole you lazy bum".
Can you please cite Chapter and Verse? I searched for "lazy bum" in my King James Bible and no matches were found.
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