Is the US Declaration of Independence illegal? (lawyers, treason, government)

[All American NYC]

By 4 July, America's founding fathers approved a simple document penned by Jefferson that enumerated their grievances and announced themselves a sovereign nation.The Declaration of Independence
Called the Declaration of Independence, it was a blow for freedom, a call to war, and the founding of a new empire.It was also totally illegitimate and illegal. At least, that was what lawyers from the UK argued during a debate at Philadelphia's Ben Franklin Hall.

Is our declaration illegal according to the UK?
Or is the British making fuss over nothing? The Brits say it was treasonable.

They say What if Texas decided today it wanted to secede from the Union?

[mackinac81]

Originally Posted by All American NYC

Is our declaration illegal according to the UK?
Or is the British making fuss over nothing? The Brits say it was treasonable.

They say What if Texas decided today it wanted to secede from the Union?

Of course it was treason! A group of colonists rebelled against the authority of the British Crown. by any definition, that is treasonous. Not saying I'm against what the founders did, but in the eyes of any country, that would be considered treason.

[DC at the Ridge]

Originally Posted by All American NYC

Is our declaration illegal according to the UK?
Or is the British making fuss over nothing? The Brits say it was treasonable.

They say What if Texas decided today it wanted to secede from the Union?

It was a debate. The Brits aren't making a fuss. British lawyers were invited to debate the position that the Declaration was illegal, American lawyers took the position that the Declaration was legal. The Americans won the debate.

[ergohead]

Originally Posted by All American NYC

Is our declaration illegal according to the UK?
Or is the British making fuss over nothing? The Brits say it was treasonable.

They say What if Texas decided today it wanted to secede from the Union?

It was secession, man.

No two ways about it.

[twinArmageddons]

Originally Posted by mackinac81

Of course it was treason! A group of colonists rebelled against the authority of the British Crown. by any definition, that is treasonous. Not saying I'm against what the founders did, but in the eyes of any country, that would be considered treason.

Exactly.

It's as treasonous as it gets.

Not that it's wrong, but it's still illegal.

[swagger]

Let 'em try and reverse it.

[DC at the Ridge]

Originally Posted by Phantasy Tokoro

Exactly.

It's as treasonous as it gets.

Not that it's wrong, but it's still illegal.

The Founding Fathers took the humanist position, that a people could not be governed without their consent. We weren't a part of England, we were a collection of colonies that wasn't really represented in their government. Decisions were made about the colonists that had nothing to do with the colonists and their welfare, but had everything to do with the people of England and their welfare. To object to that, to declare yourself not subservient to another nation and its citizens, is not illegal. If England's king and parliament had considered the colonists as full citizens of England, then the colonists would have had seats in parliament, and a voice. Since England's king and parliament did not consider the colonists as full citizens of England, they could not expect the loyalty of the colonists.

[SNEwx_46]

It was obviously treason

[case44]

Originally Posted by All American NYC

Is our declaration illegal according to the UK?
Or is the British making fuss over nothing? The Brits say it was treasonable.

They say What if Texas decided today it wanted to secede from the Union?

Huh???!! We're not Britain. We're America! We were founded for a reason, and I'm sure it was a breath of fresh air back then. So the answer is no.

[DC at the Ridge]

Originally Posted by SNEwx_46

It was obviously treason

You expect the loyalty of people to whom you do not extend the full benefits of citizenship?