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Old 10-25-2011, 11:59 PM
 
Location: The Cascade Foothills
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Margaret Sanger was a eugenicist and probably a racist, too.
Link please?
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Old 10-26-2011, 12:01 AM
 
Location: The Cascade Foothills
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Then it can't hurt.

Afraid they will change their minds?
No! Because forcing them to look at a picture or hear the heartbeat is an attempt to make an already difficult situation even more so. Just another right wing, christian attempt at controlling a woman's body.
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Old 10-26-2011, 12:02 AM
 
Location: Ohio
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Nobody is forcing them to do anything but look at a picture.
We have already seen pictures of fetuses......EVERYWHERE.....on TV, in magazines, posters on the Dr's office walls, in brochures, in biology books in school, on the internet.

Do you really think women don't know what a fetus looks like?
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Old 10-26-2011, 12:02 AM
 
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Why are you afraid they may change their minds?
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Old 10-26-2011, 12:03 AM
 
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No! Because forcing them to look at a picture or hear the heartbeat is an attempt to make an already difficult situation even more so. Just another right wing, christian attempt at controlling a woman's body.
You mean the decision to get an abortion is one women think carefully about, but you don't want them to think *too much* about it.
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Old 10-26-2011, 12:05 AM
 
Location: Ohio
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Margaret Sanger was a eugenicist and probably a racist, too.
What does Margaret Sanger have to do with a woman of today deciding whether to abort or not?

Please tell us.
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Old 10-26-2011, 12:09 AM
 
Location: NC
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Then it can't hurt.

Afraid they will change their minds?
Again. This kind of debate on abortion all comes down to the premise that women are incapable of making their own decisions without special assistance from the state.

If a woman believes it is important to view an ultrasound to make a decision then she should be able to. If not then that should be allowed as well. What it comes down to is allowing a woman to choose which information she wishes to consider in making a decision.

The fact of the matter is with no other right is their this much interference. There is no law that requires voters to read information about candidates provided by the state, there is no law that mandates state approved pre-marital counciling, there is no law that requires you study about other countries before you may attain a passport. It is only with the right to control reproduction that these kind of odious requirements are even considered.
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Old 10-26-2011, 12:13 AM
 
Location: The Cascade Foothills
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You mean the decision to get an abortion is one women think carefully about, but you don't want them to think *too much* about it.
You know, you just keep asking the same question, with a little wording variation, over and over and over.

We could go on all night, with me giving the same answer over and over, but I think I'm going to watch Dexter and go to bed.
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Old 10-26-2011, 12:14 AM
 
Location: Ohio
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Then it can't hurt.

Afraid they will change their minds?
It is not a doctor's job to try to talk a woman into keeping a pregnancy she has already decided to abort. It is called coercion, FYI.

How would you like someone interfering with every decision you decided to make in your life......by goverment edict?
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Old 10-26-2011, 12:14 AM
 
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No, you imply they lose their ability to reason after they see a picture.

I maintain if they are capable of that, they can handle a picture.
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