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Old 10-27-2011, 08:49 PM
 
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Choose all you want.

I'll live in the good ole U.S.A.

 
Old 10-27-2011, 09:17 PM
 
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Choose all you want.

I'll live in the good ole U.S.A.
We make huge decisions every 2-4 years. It's important to understand those decisions and not follow them blindly.

That can go the way of either or. More right or left. More right or wrong. More up or down. More positive or negative. More credit or more debt. More aggressive or less. More predator or prey. More male or female (uh oh). More in or out. More/less y or x.
 
Old 10-27-2011, 09:21 PM
 
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What are you babbling on about???????????????
I was born and brought up in a Socialistic Country and NO the people do not regret it and NO they do not want greed and corruption that the word capitalist now means. Capitalism and Socialism working together is the only way that either can succeed........ ask the many entrepreneurs in the UK
None of your system is doing well right now and the protestors in the street and the bankers in the meetings are proof of that.

We have out own little socialist (everyone is entitled to a home and college degree) crisis now.
 
Old 10-27-2011, 09:27 PM
 
Location: London UK & Florida USA
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None of your system is doing well right now and the protestors in the street and the bankers in the meetings are proof of that.

We have out own little socialist (everyone is entitled to a home and college degree) crisis now.
No .... you have your big capitalistic greed and corruption crisis right now so America is also doing badly and has done for the past 10 years with protests in the streets now and bankers, big corporations, politicians etc shoring up their wealth.
Unfortunately the whole world is suffering from the recent global recession but as far as the UK or socialism...... you haven't a clue.
 
Old 10-27-2011, 09:46 PM
 
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No .... you have your big capitalistic greed and corruption crisis right now so America is also doing badly and has done for the past 10 years with protests in the streets now and bankers, big corporations, politicians etc shoring up their wealth.
Unfortunately the whole world is suffering from the recent global recession but as far as the UK or socialism...... you haven't a clue.
We all completely understand the crisis in Europe and your post only further concretes that.

Pay more to the educators! They're our future... ish..
 
Old 10-27-2011, 09:53 PM
 
Location: London UK & Florida USA
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We all completely understand the crisis in Europe and your post only further concretes that.

Pay more to the educators! They're our future... ish..
All over the World the same cry is made but not listened to.
In the UK............ NO child goes without education but that isn't the only solution...... parents must also carry on with the education and encouragement after the school day........ as Obama so rightly said.
 
Old 10-28-2011, 12:30 AM
 
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On the surface that would look to be accurate.
It is historically accurate from the surface to its core.

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That means 132 Social Democrats voted with the Nazis. So to tally the count.

132 Social Democrats.
52 Conservative Nationalist.
288 Nazis.
First your vote count is widely off the mark. The SDP only held 121 seats, and following the Reichstag Fire the German Communist Part the KDP was dissolved along with its 100 votes in the Parliament. That means that your 132 votes drops down to a meager 27 votes cast in favor by SDP delgates.

Frankly considering the intimidation and murder of SDP members and their leadership in the days following the Reichstag Fire and being surrounded by Hilter's SA as the parliament met in Kroll Opera House preparing to vote on the Enabling Act I'm surprised that there weren't more.

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Hitler only gave lip service to the few capitalist that remained and protected them as long as they were for the state, and power.
Few, what is a few? Kodak, Hugo Boss, Volkswagen, IG Farben, Siemens, Coca-Cola GmbH, Ford, Standard Oil, Chase Bank, IBM, Random House's parent company Bertelsmann A.G, Krupp, Thyssen that few??

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The way I see this, and correct me if you see it another way, is that there will always be people who have control of corporations and to dismiss this is delusional.Therefore, if the dictator is to control the state and power he must also control the means of production by allowing those that know how to have the power of the means of production to do their thing because it doesn't matter one bit if the dictator still controls the whole game.
Assuming that private corporations exist, I don't think that anyone could dispute that argument, nor would I argue that a fascist dictator would see the necessity of forming a symbiotic relationship with the corporations and industries that provide the goods and services required. But that wasn't the case under a communist dictatorship which deemed private corporations as an anathema to state interest. The distinction between left-wing and right wing totalitarianism.

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The point to which I disagree is that the left espouses state power, of which all of those ideologies use, while the right espouses power to the people or what used to be known as classic liberalism, which follows capitalist theory and free markets, allow free interchanges between agreeing parties. If they don't agree, they don't have an exchange.
Here is where far too many conservatives fail in their analysis, whether you like it or not, there are two groups that stand between left and right wing totalitarianism, liberal democrats and conservative democrats both of whom have historically been adamantly anti-communist and anti-fascist. It is true today as it has been for the last 70 years, despite reactionary claims to the contrary.

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This is where I disagree. A liberal society should have free markets, free enterprises and freedoms to do as they please.
I don't disagree, but where the right gets confused is in the erroneous assertion that liberals are opposed to free markets, and free enterprise, and conservative seem to be just as blind to the fact that they are just as eager to constrict the whole do-as-you-please thing as liberals. Now if you are taking the libertarian approach, I can't help you because I can't think of a more childish political ideology for anything more complex than a society of hunters and gathers. It simply has no place in a modern and global world.

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The entire Nazism, Fascism, Socialism, Communism, Collectivism all have one thing in common. The control, and power, is in the hands of the state and is delegated to its people (however limited).
Fascism and Communism do not delegate powers to the people anymore that the people delegate powers to the government, that is the nature of totalitarian governance, Socialism (shrugs shoulders) is a nebulous term which can mean many different things to many different people because it comes in as many flavors as Heintz has varieties. Collectivism... this is a concept that I don't understand as you use it because what is a nation but a collective? If not what on earth were the Framers talking about when they used the personal plural pronoun we, as in;
We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.
 
Old 10-28-2011, 12:40 AM
 
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You don't have a choice, unless you vote for Democrats.

Then you can have Socialism.
 
Old 10-28-2011, 09:26 AM
 
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And killed millions of people, did barbaric medical experiments and used slave labor along the way... but that's just a technicality
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How is that any different than what it would be like under socialism?
Can you explain this line of logic? Do socialists round people up and gas them? Do they kill people and separate families because of their religion, or because they disagree with the government?

I guess you feel the ends justify the means.
 
Old 10-28-2011, 09:32 AM
 
Location: Randolph, NJ
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I think if we deported all none white's America would be much better off.
Thank you for your frank honesty.

If you're using the "we were here first" rationale for this line of thinking, Native American's should throw us all out.

What's next? Mormons, Jews, Muslims, Hindus, and Bhuddists? Or are they allowed to stay?
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