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Old 10-26-2011, 08:44 PM
 
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No the Social Democrats were the only party that voted against the Enabling Act.

Enabling Act of 1933 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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March 1933 Election
The Nazis stepped up their harassment of their political opponents, and the March 5 election was held in an atmosphere of fear and intimidation. Polling 44 percent of the votes, the Nazis won 288 seats in the Reichstag. With the support of their conservative nationalist allies, who held 52 seats, the Nazis controlled a majority of the 647 member Reichstag. The Nazi majority was even more substantial, since none of the 81 Communist deputies were allowed to take their seats.

The Enabling Act, March 1933
On March 23, 1933, the Reichstag passed the Enabling Act, which gave dictatorial authority to Hitler's cabinet for four years. Armed with full powers, Hitler moved to eliminate all possible centers of opposition. His policy is known as Gleichschaltung, which translates literally as coordination. In this context, however, it meant more precisely subordination, that is, subordinating all independent institutions to the authority of Hitler and the Nazi Party.
It was the Enabling Act of March 23, 1933, which in a legal way conferred dictatorial powers on Adolf Hitler. Only 94 Social Democratic votes were cast against it. The date for its abrogation (see Article 5) was never kept. Indeed, the Enabling Act is the last measure which the Reichstag passed under the republican and democratic Constitution of the Republic. It spelled its end and the beginning of National Socialist dictatorship.
Hitler's Rise to Power

That means that the Nazis held 340 of the 647 seats. That means that there was 226 Social Democrats (because 81 communist had no say) of which 94 voted against it. That means 132 voted for it or more than voted against it.

They were National Socialist which means they were a left-wing organization because no one in their right mind thinks the right is for more power and control to the state. These facts absolutely confound the left. I'll await a response from the left... I know it's coming.

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Old 10-26-2011, 09:20 PM
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Hitler's Rise to Power

That means that the Nazis held 340 of the 647 seats. That means that there was 226 Social Democrats (because 81 communist had no say) of which 94 voted against it. That means 132 voted for it or more than voted against it.

They were National Socialist which means they were a left-wing organization because no one in their right mind thinks the right is for more power and control to the state. These facts absolutely confound the left. I'll await a response from the left... I know it's coming.
Here's one:

In 1942, Hitler privately said: “I absolutely insist on protecting private property ... we must encourage private initiative”

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Old 10-26-2011, 09:28 PM
 
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You've really got to move away from Wiki. Would you be for removing all black voters from our electorate? That's what Hitler did (percentage wise) when he removed the communist.

What Hitler said and what he did were very different things. He said what you quoted to vote harvest the few capitalist remaining in the economy. He needed their money. What he did was redistribute lands and promise jobs, food and material wealth.

He turned their entire economy into a war economy which controlled all the means of production. That fact is indisputable.
 
Old 10-26-2011, 09:51 PM
 
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Sadly even Fascism is better than Socialism.
That is basically what we have now.
 
Old 10-27-2011, 09:46 AM
 
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The big problem here is that Capitalism is no longer Capitalism....... It has become so close to Communism and Dictaorship that it has created class warfare......... the few rich dictating to the poorer majority.
Years ago in the USA, Capitalism meant that any one in the USA who worked hard were rewarded for their efforts and could achieve anything. This is no longer the case. Capitalism has turned into a greedy, corrupt monster. When the needy in America were the minority there was no need for huge programmes to help them but we are now at the "tipping point" where the majority are now the needy and the 1% are wealthy. This cannot thrive in ANY Country and can only be destructive as greed protects the greedy and condemns the normal hard working Citizen..... in other words "Fascism".
This post may be "tongue in cheek" but it absolutely shows the ignorance in the USA regarding "Socialism", Capitalism", Communism" and "Fascism".
 
Old 10-27-2011, 10:06 AM
 
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They were National Socialist which means they were a left-wing organization
Using that logic, the German Democratic Republic (GDR) or East Germany as it was commonly referred to was a democracy.

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because no one in their right mind thinks the right is for more power and control to the state.
I don't know about their mental state but anyone who thinks believes that right wing ideologues are by nature adverse to authoritarian states is about three years short of a high school diploma, because history is replete with totalitarian right-wing regimes.

See Hayek's love affair with Augusto Pinochet

“Personally I prefer a liberal dictator to democratic government lacking liberalism. My personal impression — and this is valid for South America – is that in Chile, for example, we will witness a transition from a dictatorial government to a liberal government."

(Friedrich von Hayek, Leader and Master of Liberalism Renée Sallas, “El Mercurio” (p. D8–D9), 12 April 1981, Santiago de Chile)
 
Old 10-27-2011, 10:09 AM
 
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It just simple logic. Under Fascism, Germany a small nation about the size of Texas became the most advanced country and almost took over the world.
And killed millions of people, did barbaric medical experiments and used slave labor along the way... but that's just a technicality
 
Old 10-27-2011, 10:15 AM
 
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The big problem here is that Capitalism is no longer Capitalism....... It has become so close to Communism and Dictaorship that it has created class warfare
Another hysterical polyglot of malapropisms.

Capitalism is no longer capitalism because it has created class warfare. AFA!

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Years ago in the USA, Capitalism meant that any one in the USA who worked hard were rewarded for their efforts and could achieve anything.
That would have been news to the Ludlow, Pullman, and anthracite coal miners in the years prior to the passage of the National Labor Relations Act.

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This is no longer the case. Capitalism has turned into a greedy, corrupt monster.
And the age of the Robber Barons was just a figment of your historical imagination?


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When the needy in America were the minority there was no need for huge programmes to help them but we are now at the "tipping point" where the majority are now the needy and the 1% are wealthy.
Which was the case in 1933 when those evil programs were enacted.


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This cannot thrive in ANY Country and can only be destructive as greed protects the greedy and condemns the normal hard working Citizen.
Well you got that hit that one right out of the park! Maybe even a rep point. You may not know history or political terminology but you have the most basic aspects of a functional society down pat.
 
Old 10-27-2011, 10:16 AM
 
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[quote=andrew.mensch;21459334]And killed millions of people, did barbaric medical experiments and used slave labor along the way... but that's just a technicality[/QUOTE


Sadly, I think some people would be just fine with that technicality.
 
Old 10-27-2011, 10:23 AM
 
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Hitler's Rise to Power

That means that the Nazis held 340 of the 647 seats. That means that there was 226 Social Democrats (because 81 communist had no say) of which 94 voted against it. That means 132 voted for it or more than voted against it.

They were National Socialist which means they were a left-wing organization because no one in their right mind thinks the right is for more power and control to the state. These facts absolutely confound the left. I'll await a response from the left... I know it's coming.
Nazis were right. World War II was basically the liberal/far left powers of the world (FDR in the US, Stalin in Russia, and Churchill in Britain. Against the conservative/far right powers. Facist Italy, Imperial Japan, Nazi Germany.
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