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Old 11-14-2011, 01:19 PM
 
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The answer is too obvious to miss. Heterosexuals are not attracted to the same sex, therefore, heterosexual males pose ZERO sexual threat to other males ... of any age. Homosexuality, on the other hand, is defined as a person who is sexually attracted to the same sex. Is not a male adult and a male child the same sex? Does Sandusky's repeated molestation of little boys (NO FEMALES) not show a consistent attraction to the same sex?

So, perhaps the better thing to do is for you to stop asking me these questions which have OBVIOUS answers, and instead, explain how this apparent same sex attraction really isn't what it appears to be.

And I don't consider "Just Because" a reasonable answer.
And you would be incorrect according to ALL the research. If you disagree, then please present some research (from reputable sources, as below) otherwise all you are saying is you have an opinion "just because you think so".

Here's just some of the research from the past 60 years.... again:

“The research to date all points to there being no significant relationship between a homosexual lifestyle and child molestation. There appears to be practically no reportage of sexual molestation of girls by lesbian adults, and the adult male who sexually molests young boys is not likely to be homosexual."
Groth, A. N., & Gary, T. S. (1982). Heterosexuality, homosexuality, and pedophilia: Sexual offenses against children and adult sexual orientation.

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"Homosexuality and homosexual pedophilia are not synonymous. In fact, it may be that these two orientations are mutually exclusive, the reason being that the homosexual male is sexually attracted to masculine qualities whereas the heterosexual male is sexually attracted to feminine characteristics, and the sexually immature child’s qualities are more feminine than masculine. . . . The child offender who is attracted to and engaged in adult sexual relationships is heterosexual. It appears, therefore, that the adult heterosexual male constitutes a greater sexual risk to underage children than does the adult homosexual male."
A. Nicholas Groth, William F. Hobson, and Thomas S. Gary, “The Child Molester: Clinical Observations,” in Social Work and Child Sexual Abuse, eds. Jon R. Conte and David A. Shore (New York: Haworth Press, 1982), p.136.

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"Amongst the heterosexuals, the commonest remarks concerning attractive features of the victims, were that the young boys did not have any body hair and that their bodies were soft and smooth."
Marshal, W.L.; Barbaree, H.E.; Butt, Jennifer. “Sexual offenders against male children: Sexual preferences.”

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“Homosexual males who preferred physically mature partners responded no more to male children than heterosexual males who preferred physically mature partners responded to female children”
Journal of Sex Research -Freund, Kurt; Watson, Robin J.; Rienzo, Douglas. “Heterosexuality, homosexuality, and the erotic age preference.” Journal of Sex Research 26, no. 1 (1989): 107-117

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“..a child’s risk of being molested by his or her relative’s heterosexual partner is 100 times greater than by someone who might be identified as a homosexual."
(Carole Jenny et al., Are Children at Risk for Sexual Abuse by Homosexuals?; 94 Pediatrics 41; July 1994)

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“The adult heterosexual male constitutes a greater risk to the underage child than does the adult homosexual male”
National Institutes of Health – PubMed (Groth and Birnbaum, “Adult Sexual Orientation and Attraction to Underage Persons.”)

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“The belief that homosexuals are particularly attracted to children is completely unsupported by our data.”
National Institutes of Health – PubMed (Groth and Birnbaum, “Adult Sexual Orientation and Attraction to Underage Persons.”)

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"One study noted that 98% of these male perpetrators self-identified as heterosexual."
Journal of the American Medical Association -
Sexual Abuse of Boys Definition, Prevalence, Correlates, Sequelae, and Management William C. Holmes, MD, MSCE; Gail B. Slap, MD, MS JAMA. 1998;280:1855-1862.

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“A gay man is no more likely than a straight man to perpetrate sexual activity with children.”
Journal of Psychology and Human Sexuality -(Stevenson, “Public Policy, Homosexuality and the Sexual Coercion of Children.”)


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The Abel and Harlow Child Molestation Prevention Study of over 4000 child molestors in the US also show that 97% of child molestors were religious and over 70% were married with children:
Child Molestation Research & Prevention Institute

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And here is a general article showing how some conservative religious anti-gay groups misrepresent and distort studies like those above to vilify homosexuals.
Facts About Homosexuality and Child Molestation
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Old 11-14-2011, 01:24 PM
 
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This recent bombshell of a story of widespread molestation and coverup within the Boy Scouts was given so little coverage. It does make one angry & wonder why.

Records Show Boy Scouts Failed To Report Abuser | Fox News

"Boy Scouts of America officials didn't call police in 1979 after Turley acknowledged molesting three Orange County boys, records show...Turley is one of more than 5,000 suspected child molesters named in confidential documents kept by the Boy Scouts of America. The records -- called the "perversion files" by the Scouts -- include admissions of guilt as well as unproven allegations."

Read more: Records Show Boy Scouts Failed To Report Abuser | Fox News
Yes indeed ... estimates that as many as 5000 pedophiles are involved with the Boy Scouts of America alone.

And as alarming as that is ... there is evidence that the problem is much bigger than that, involving a mind boggling number of influential figures across the entire spectrum of our society, from politics, the media, public service, business, religion, law enforcement and the judiciary. That probably sounds crazy to some people, yet there is growing evidence that appears to strongly support that contention.

And it doesn't require as many co-conspirators as one might assume, just strategically placed individuals in positions of authority who have the power to circumvent or derail investigations and prosecutions. So, these rings establish these strategic allies in a number of ways, which then allows these groups to operate with relative impunity, and totally off the radar of the public.

This is true at the federal level as well ... our Congress critters are controlled by the dirt their controllers have on them ... some of which are pedophiles ... others being closeted gays, others being addicted to prostitutes, etc. They actually attain their positions by means of having something in their personal background that can be used to black mail them. And you don't need to corrupt ever single one of them ... just the leadership, and slightly more than half the members.

There is an entire unseen world in operation outside of public awareness.
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Old 11-14-2011, 01:33 PM
 
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"Former defensive coordinator Jerry Sandusky, 67, was arrested Saturday and released on $100,000 bail after being arraigned on 40 criminal counts, according to the office of the state attorney general, Linda Kelly. She called Sandusky “a sexual predator who used his position within the university and community to repeatedly prey on young boys.”

"Though reports surfaced months ago that Sandusky was being investigated, the case took on an added dimension Saturday when Penn State’s athletic director, Tim Curley, 57, and vice president for finance and business Gary Schultz, 62, were charged with perjury."

Penn State Coach Arrested for Sexual Abuse | TheBlaze.com


Scratch another one off the list of unsafe places for young boys.

Catholic Church. NO

Boy Scouts. NO

Foot Ball. NO

These friggin predators are everywhere. They know where to find their victims and they must feel safe in going after them because everybody looks the other way. Disgusting.


I consider them to be only accusations against the coach nothing more .He has not been tried or convicted .Lets see the facts before jumping to conculsions .I can't judge him,I wasn't there.To say the catholic church,boy scouts or football is no longer safe is outrageous .Parents of boys and girls need to teach their children that when someone does something inapproiate :Tell someone.Don't wait years ,it may give people pause to wonder why you waited so long and therefore the allegations in doubt.

Ps One more thing when I was a kid my parents told me to be wary of everyone including people that were in a authority .Anything inapproate happens report it .Plain and simple.
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Old 11-14-2011, 01:43 PM
 
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I consider them to be only accusations against the coach nothing more .He has not been tried or convicted .Lets see the facts before jumping to conculsions .I can't judge him,I wasn't there.To say the catholic church,boy scouts or football is no longer safe is outrageous .Parents of boys and girls need to teach their children that when someone does something inapproiate :Tell someone.Don't wait years ,it may give people pause to wonder why you waited so long and therefore the allegations in doubt.

Ps One more thing when I was a kid my parents told me to be wary of everyone including people that were in a authority .Anything inapproate happens report it .Plain and simple.
You have to do more...kids feel guilt and the number one thing pedophiles tell the victims? NO ONE WILL BELIEVE YOU-always be on the lookout of who is taking an interest in your children-sickening...

Plus it's easy to say these things..tell someone..sexual abuse is the worst form of abuse, especially if it's male on male abuse...they feel worse..because they feel like they did something...
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Old 11-14-2011, 01:55 PM
 
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I consider them to be only accusations against the coach nothing more .He has not been tried or convicted .Lets see the facts before jumping to conculsions .I can't judge him,I wasn't there.To say the catholic church,boy scouts or football is no longer safe is outrageous .Parents of boys and girls need to teach their children that when someone does something inapproiate :Tell someone.Don't wait years ,it may give people pause to wonder why you waited so long and therefore the allegations in doubt.

Ps One more thing when I was a kid my parents told me to be wary of everyone including people that were in a authority .Anything inapproate happens report it .Plain and simple.
Too bad the boys at the charity foundation founded by Sandusky, from which many of these boys came, probably didn't have the family support and guidance of which you speak.

We can guide and instruct our own children but we cannot blindly trust the institutions that for many years seemed like safe havens. There is no such thing. To think otherwise is "outrageous."
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Old 11-14-2011, 02:03 PM
 
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I consider them to be only accusations against the coach nothing more .He has not been tried or convicted .Lets see the facts before jumping to conculsions .I can't judge him,I wasn't there.To say the catholic church,boy scouts or football is no longer safe is outrageous .Parents of boys and girls need to teach their children that when someone does something inapproiate :Tell someone.Don't wait years ,it may give people pause to wonder why you waited so long and therefore the allegations in doubt.

Ps One more thing when I was a kid my parents told me to be wary of everyone including people that were in a authority .Anything inapproate happens report it .Plain and simple.
The facts are already available in the grand jury testimony. While he is yet to be convicted to call this "jumping to conclusions" is beyond reasonable.

Have you look at any of the testimony? You have numerous victims, eyewitnesses on the coaching staff, janitors etc.

If this were 1 guy coming forward 15 years later then that would be a different story.

When they caught Gacy with 30+ boys buried under his house I didn't need to wait for the conviction to reach a conclusion either.

P.S. Even Penn State is already removing the guy from murals etc.
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Old 11-14-2011, 02:31 PM
 
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The facts are already available in the grand jury testimony. While he is yet to be convicted to call this "jumping to conclusions" is beyond reasonable.

Have you look at any of the testimony? You have numerous victims, eyewitnesses on the coaching staff, janitors etc.

If this were 1 guy coming forward 15 years later then that would be a different story.

When they caught Gacy with 30+ boys buried under his house I didn't need to wait for the conviction to reach a conclusion either.

P.S. Even Penn State is already removing the guy from murals etc.
This is true.
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Old 11-14-2011, 02:34 PM
 
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Yes indeed ... estimates that as many as 5000 pedophiles are involved with the Boy Scouts of America alone.

And as alarming as that is ... there is evidence that the problem is much bigger than that, involving a mind boggling number of influential figures across the entire spectrum of our society, from politics, the media, public service, business, religion, law enforcement and the judiciary. That probably sounds crazy to some people, yet there is growing evidence that appears to strongly support that contention.

And it doesn't require as many co-conspirators as one might assume, just strategically placed individuals in positions of authority who have the power to circumvent or derail investigations and prosecutions. So, these rings establish these strategic allies in a number of ways, which then allows these groups to operate with relative impunity, and totally off the radar of the public.

This is true at the federal level as well ... our Congress critters are controlled by the dirt their controllers have on them ... some of which are pedophiles ... others being closeted gays, others being addicted to prostitutes, etc. They actually attain their positions by means of having something in their personal background that can be used to black mail them. And you don't need to corrupt ever single one of them ... just the leadership, and slightly more than half the members.

There is an entire unseen world in operation outside of public awareness.
Ugly as all this is, the public needs to open their eyes to it. When I was younger, I naively believed people were all basically good. They're not.
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Old 11-14-2011, 02:55 PM
 
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Looks like the arrest was made just at the right time because of the PA statute of limitations. In PA Homicide- no limit, sex crimes- 12 years, major felonies- 5 years, lesser felonies & misd- 2 years.
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Old 11-14-2011, 03:03 PM
 
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Too bad the boys at the charity foundation founded by Sandusky, from which many of these boys came, probably didn't have the family support and guidance of which you speak.

We can guide and instruct our own children but we cannot blindly trust the institutions that for many years seemed like safe havens. There is no such thing. To think otherwise is "outrageous."
Which makes what Sandusky did all the more evil. He created the foundation from which to recruit his future victims. Now, did his donors support it to do same?

At how many other colleges and universities is this happening? Through how many other sport venues open to children are they being stalked by staff members who are pedophiles? It would be naive to think that Penn State & Sandusky are an exception.
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