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Old 11-11-2011, 02:45 PM
 
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Simmer down. I am not a psychologist. I can't do peer review of another psychologist. I gave you a study. You don't like fine. My question still remains though. Do you not think he is in intelligent or not. If you think he is, then why are we having this conversation. The thread was not about an IQ study, but Jimmy Carter.
No, I will not simmer down.

If you introduce evidence, but cannot comprehend it yourself, you deserve to be taken to task. If you did that in the workplace or a court, they'd chew your hide and rightfully so.

I already said he was an intelligent man but a lackluster President. Do you have the courtesy to read rebuttals or do you just like to attack-- like that psychotic rabbit that went after Carter?

Good God man, get it together already!
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Old 11-11-2011, 02:56 PM
 
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No, I will not simmer down.

If you introduce evidence, but cannot comprehend it yourself, you deserve to be taken to task. If you did that in the workplace or a court, they'd chew your hide and rightfully so.

I already said he was an intelligent man but a lackluster President. Do you have the courtesy to read rebuttals or do you just like to attack-- like that psychotic rabbit that went after Carter?

Good God man, get it together already!
O.k. we agree. I never saw where you said he was intelligent. There is no need to beat that dead horse then. No I will not get it together.
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Old 11-11-2011, 03:16 PM
 
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Carter was berated for essentially talking to the American people honestly about their problems and treating them as adults instead of cheerleading. The American public do not want to be treated as adults. They want a cheerleader president not someone who respects their intelligence.

The British reaction to David Cameron's "our best days are behind us" speech is similar to the US reaction to Carter's "malaise" speech, so Americans aren't alone in liking for their leaders to treat them like little kids, and being angry when their leaders talk to them honestly

A few things-

1. Carter was the cause of the malaise
2. America's best days were not behind them
3. Reagan proved him wrong and restored the economy.

Just like today, an incompetent president will usually blame the people for his failed policies. McCain was right- Obama really is Jimmy Carter II.
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Old 11-11-2011, 07:30 PM
 
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A few things-

1. Carter was the cause of the malaise
Carter was not a very good president. But anyone holding the office at that time would have had a host of problems to deal with. If Ford had won the '76 election he would have had to deal with the same issues. The causes of the problems dated back to the Vietnam War.

And realistic dialogue about the problems of the country spoken in a way that respects the intelligence of the American people is not necessarily "liberal". Barry Goldwater treated the American public as adults and was not scared to decry the state of the nation - that was one reason why he did not get elected president. And Ron Paul talking soberly about how screwed up America is and treating those listening to him as adults worthy of respect rather than as children who just want someone to tell them how great things are is one reason why he is not more popular than he is. Americans want a cheerleader. Obama is no different than any of his predecessors from Reagan onward in this respect.

http://ideas.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/...ive-manifesto/
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Old 11-11-2011, 08:24 PM
 
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Default The disconnect between IQ and vision...

is evident in this thread. Jimmy Carter was a nuclear physicist, with a genius level IQ. But his vision of America sold it short, sadly, pathetically short.

America's best days were not behind it then, and they are not behind it now. But to believe that, one must have faith in the ingenuity and ability of the American people. President Obama shares the same defect, selling the American people short. He believes we can do nothing without a government program to inform and guide us, to sustain us as we go down the path his technocrats and experts and wise men prescribe.

The power of a free people, making their own decisions for their own account, has been proven to produce miraculous results. Carter ignored that to his detriment. Obama is traveling the same path.

I'd take a half-wit who understands the American spirit over an Ivy League genius who does not, any day.
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Old 11-11-2011, 08:31 PM
 
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America's best days were not behind it then, and they are not behind it now. But to believe that, one must have faith in the ingenuity and ability of the American people. President Obama shares the same defect, selling the American people short.
Hardly.

"We must make no apologies for our way of life"?
Obama's been a cheerleader just like Reagan, just like Clinton, just like Dubya.

And if you don't think America's best days are behind it, take a look around...
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Old 11-11-2011, 08:44 PM
 
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Thank you marcopolo for the straight talk; Obama, just like Carter, is obssessed in believing that Americans cannot prosper without suffocating the country with $$$$$ and regulations.

Reagan proved within five years how incompetent Carter was, as evidenced by the 1,100,000 new jobs created in his 33rd month in office (Oct. 1983), as the WSJ pointed out last month.

He profusely believed in American exceptionalism, and left private industry alone to innovate and create millions of excellent paying jobs, as well as a slew of wealthy citizens.

In Obama's 33rd month, the corresponding number was a miniscule 58,000, and he has nothing but disdain for private industry, American exceptionalism, and entrepreneurship, and incomprehensibly believes that this country cannot thrive without a power hungry and insatiable government as a security blanket.
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Old 11-11-2011, 08:46 PM
 
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There is little question that Carter was among the worst Presidents in history, even among left leaning historians. There is simply no use in trying to rewrite history.
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Old 11-11-2011, 08:47 PM
 
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Hardly.

"We must make no apologies for our way of life"?
Obama's been a cheerleader just like Reagan, just like Clinton, just like Dubya.

And if you don't think America's best days are behind it, take a look around...

Hey, that's what Carter said, too!
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Old 11-11-2011, 08:52 PM
 
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Did Carter say this?

"Tonight there is violence in our streets, corruption in our highest offices, aimlessness among our youth, anxiety among our elders and there is a virtual despair among the many who look beyond material success for the inner meaning of their lives. Where examples of morality should be set, the opposite is seen. Small men, seeking great wealth or power, have too often and too long turned even the highest levels of public service into mere personal opportunity."

The man who said this was a conservative Republican, whose views were thought extreme by many, but whom was widely respected for treating the American people as adults. Likewise, he lost a presidential election by one of the biggest margins in US history. This is not what Americans want to hear.
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