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Old 11-07-2011, 06:09 AM
 
Location: Forests of Maine
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The CDC may have misinformed us about H1N1 flu deaths

hmm, so actually most of the H1N1 flu deaths were really caused by MRSA infections they got from the hospitals. They did not die from the flu at all, but they died from the handling they received from medical personnel? Interesting.

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Old 11-07-2011, 06:22 AM
 
Location: AZ
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This does not surprise me at all...The older I get the further away I stay from Western Medicine!! This includes Doctors, hospitals, Labs, and pharmacies... It's all a big money scheme (in my opinion) !
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Old 11-07-2011, 08:01 AM
 
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The cdc is in the pocket of the big pharmacy companies...as for them misinforming us....I belive the proper word would be they LIED.....which they continue to do.....Are Children Who Did Not Get the Flu Vaccine Healthier?.............http://drtenpenny.com/the_truth_about_the_flu_Shot.aspx (broken link)
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Old 11-07-2011, 10:11 AM
 
Location: Georgia, USA
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The CDC may have misinformed us about H1N1 flu deaths

hmm, so actually most of the H1N1 flu deaths were really caused by MRSA infections they got from the hospitals. They did not die from the flu at all, but they died from the handling they received from medical personnel? Interesting.

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But if they did not have the flu, they would not have been in the hospital at all.

From one of the links within the article you linked to:

Effectiveness of Pandemic H1N1 Vaccine Against Influenza-Related Hospitalization in Children

"In children aged 6 months to 9 years, a single pediatric dose of the AS03-adjuvanted pH1N1 vaccine was highly protective against hospitalization beginning at 10 and 14 days after vaccination."

So, if you vaccinate, you reduce the risk of flu and hospitalization.

You do not have to be in a hospital to get MRSA. It is also community acquired. So it is incorrect to say the deaths were from "handling they received from medical personnel." The children could have been already colonized with MRSA when they caught the flu.

Here is a more objective report on the study:

Medical News: H1N1 Death Rate Higher in Kids With MRSA - in Infectious Disease, Swine Flu from MedPage Today

The conclusion from the study is that we need to prevent the flu in the first place. That means vaccinate our children.

And, yes, the underlying cause of death is influenza and the MRSA is a contributing factor. These are properly reported as flu deaths.
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Old 11-07-2011, 10:20 AM
 
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You can get MRSA at the local McDonald's playground! As far as vaccinating for the FLU? You can't be serious? Stop living in a clean freak sterile bubble world and develop an immune system! And the only reason they insist on vaccinating for chicken pox is because the school districts lose gov funding money. It's all about the $$$.

I spent my childhood playing on dairy/pig/chicken farms. We know how sterile those places are. I rarely get sick.

My kids all got chicken pox as kids. I, unfortunately got a super nasty version as an adult. That was 20 yrs ago.
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Old 11-07-2011, 11:35 AM
 
Location: Georgia, USA
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The cdc is in the pocket of the big pharmacy companies...as for them misinforming us....I belive the proper word would be they LIED.....which they continue to do.....Are Children Who Did Not Get the Flu Vaccine Healthier?.............The Truth about the Flu Shot (http://drtenpenny.com/the_truth_about_the_flu_Shot.aspx - broken link)
Let's see who lies:

The very title of the article is a lie. There is no evidence that vaccines cause autism.

Mercola bemoans the cost of vaccines, but he does not address the costs of vaccine preventable illnesses at all. That is a lie by omission.

Mercola: the vaccinated vs. unvaccinated myth. To support his contention that unvaccinated children are healthier, he cites a survey from another anti-vaccine site. He does note in passing that this is just a poll, not a scientific study. I went to the site from which he obtained the information.

Anyone can volunteer the information on his child for the survey. However, since the recruiting is done through an anti-vaccine site, guess who is responding to the survey?
Yep, people who do not vaccinate.

The survey includes about 10,000 participants, but vaccineinfoinjury does not reveal how many are vaccinated and how many are unvaccinated.

This is lying by omission. If they do not have nearly equal numbers in both groups, the comparison is worthless. Also, it is necessary to control for numerous other variables in order to make sure the two groups differ only in vaccination status. Mercola does admit the results are unscientific, but he presents them anyway.

Some real studies:

Vaccination Status and Health in Children and Adolescents

"Conclusion: The prevalence of allergic diseases and non-specific infections in children and adolescents was not found to depend on vaccination status."

Measles, mumps and rubella infection... [Pediatr Allergy Immunol. 2008] - PubMed - NCBI

"This study shows no evidence for any protective effects from MMR diseases for the development of atopy and therefore supports conclusions found elsewhere that childhood vaccinations do not cause atopy." (Atopy = allergies.)

Influence of MMR-vaccinations and di... [Pediatr Allergy Immunol. 2004] - PubMed - NCBI

"From the present study can be concluded that exposure by MMR-vaccinations or natural MMR-infections in childhood does not increase the risk of sensitization to common allergens as well as to allergic respiratory diseases. MMR-vaccinations or natural MMR-infections are therefore an unlikely factor contributing to the increase in atopic disease in developed countries."

There are no scientific studies with evidence for vaccines causing ADHD, and to continue to allege that vaccines cause autism is asinine.

Mercola: "Your body's immune system was not designed to handle lab altered viruses and bacteria injected into the body." That is just a jaw dropping lie. I would love for him to provide any rational support for that statement.

Mercola quotes Fisher, "Whereas natural recovery from many infectious diseases usually stimulates lifetime immunity, vaccines only provide temporary protection and most vaccines require "booster" doses to extend vaccine-induced artificial immunity."

Lots of qualifiers in that statement. But it is also true to say that natural recovery from some infectious diseases does not stimulate lifetime immunity and many vaccines do not require boosters.

Mercola's solution: take vitamin D, eat healthy, and get exercise and sleep. All great ideas, but they won't prevent you from catching the flu.
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Old 11-07-2011, 12:07 PM
 
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And, yes, the underlying cause of death is influenza and the MRSA is a contributing factor. These are properly reported as flu deaths.

It is best to avoid going to the hospital if you are ill.
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Old 11-07-2011, 12:16 PM
 
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80% of the antibotics in this country are used on livestock. LOOK AT WHAT YOUR KIDS ARE EATING PEOPLE!!!!!!!!!!!! You wonder why kids are so unhealthy, have so many allergies, why girls are sporting DD's at 13, and why their immune systems are shot! Cattle aren't supposed to be raised on dirt eating corn and soy of which 99% in the USA is genetically modified. Don't even get me started on the hog and dairy industry. Our food supply is KILILNG US and worse destroying our children's health. They don't even have a chance. Look at fertility rates and all the infertility problems in the USA. Why is it that native born white women can barely conceive anymore without fertility drugs yet their mexican and immigrant counter parts have 5 children by the time they are 30. Oh white women are simply just putting off kids at a later and later age? NO! Maybe if they weren't on birth control for a majority of their lives and exposed to toxins/chemicals through their countless charade and cabinets full of make up, lotions, skin creams etc. Which most are made from the same livestock we pump full of antibiotics.

And you wonder why?????????? LMAO! Americans are some of the most clueless consumers in the world. Keep spoonfeeding what the medical establishment tells you......or follow what's left of your own native wisdom and listen to your body and let logic and common sense play out once in a while.
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Old 11-07-2011, 12:30 PM
 
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80% of the antibotics in this country are used on livestock. LOOK AT WHAT YOUR KIDS ARE EATING PEOPLE!!!!!!!!!!!! You wonder why kids are so unhealthy, have so many allergies, why girls are sporting DD's at 13, and why their immune systems are shot! Cattle aren't supposed to be raised on dirt eating corn and soy of which 99% in the USA is genetically modified. Don't even get me started on the hog and dairy industry. Our food supply is KILILNG US and worse destroying our children's health. They don't even have a chance. Look at fertility rates and all the infertility problems in the USA. Why is it that native born white women can barely conceive anymore without fertility drugs yet their mexican and immigrant counter parts have 5 children by the time they are 30. Oh white women are simply just putting off kids at a later and later age? NO! Maybe if they weren't on birth control for a majority of their lives and exposed to toxins/chemicals through their countless charade and cabinets full of make up, lotions, skin creams etc. Which most are made from the same livestock we pump full of antibiotics.

And you wonder why?????????? LMAO! Americans are some of the most clueless consumers in the world. Keep spoonfeeding what the medical establishment tells you......or follow what's left of your own native wisdom and listen to your body and let logic and common sense play out once in a while.
Are you trying to get the NIH and CDC into a fight with FDA and USDA?
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Old 11-07-2011, 12:33 PM
 
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It is best to avoid going to the hospital if you are ill.
Sometimes, I like to run through the hallways of the local hospital in rain-soaked clothing, just to keep immunized against Methicillin-resistant Staphylococcus aureus (MRSA).

Course it's always wise to snort a few lines of cocaine and colloidal silver before doing this.
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