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Old 11-18-2011, 07:32 PM
 
Location: Southcentral Kansas
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This old blogger has pounded that nail clear through the board with this little piece. I may not agree with it all but it is just too close to true. He mentions that he knows there is no such word as Obamanism but it may be in the dictionaries of the future.

Socialism, Communism or Fascism: Which Best Describes Obamanism?*|*Godfather Politics
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Old 11-18-2011, 07:36 PM
 
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Where's the None of the Above checkbox?
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Old 11-18-2011, 07:40 PM
 
Location: NC
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He continues the path of those before him-- the road to fascism.
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Old 11-18-2011, 07:58 PM
 
Location: Old Bellevue, WA
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I don't think his definitions are very good:

socialism--no privately owned means of production (companies, factories, etc) gov't owns means of production

communism--no privately owned MOP or privately owned goods. Everything is owned collectively.

fascism--private ownership of MOP and goods allowed, but with extensive regulation of both by the gov't.

By this def we are closest to fascism, with socialism in a few areas (transportation, retirement, education, large chunks of health care). And it obviously didn't start with nor is unique to Obama. He just has moved an already existing trend along at a much faster pace.
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Old 11-18-2011, 07:59 PM
 
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This old blogger has pounded that nail clear through the board with this little piece. I may not agree with it all but it is just too close to true. He mentions that he knows there is no such word as Obamanism but it may be in the dictionaries of the future.

Socialism, Communism or Fascism: Which Best Describes Obamanism?*|*Godfather Politics
They're all the same. They're all inclusive. Those that claim Fascism was somehow different than socialism are disingenuous, and, quite frankly, liars.
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Old 11-18-2011, 08:01 PM
 
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No "ism" needed, he's just a central banker puppet.
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Old 11-18-2011, 08:07 PM
 
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Where's the None of the Above checkbox?
I didn't notice that there was a poll icon on this thread. I guess you could try reading the link and see what it is about.
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Old 11-18-2011, 08:11 PM
 
Location: Southcentral Kansas
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I don't think his definitions are very good:

socialism--no privately owned means of production (companies, factories, etc) gov't owns means of production

communism--no privately owned MOP or privately owned goods. Everything is owned collectively.

fascism--private ownership of MOP and goods allowed, but with extensive regulation of both by the gov't.

By this def we are closest to fascism, with socialism in a few areas (transportation, retirement, education, large chunks of health care). And it obviously didn't start with nor is unique to Obama. He just has moved an already existing trend along at a much faster pace.
However, Obama did say that 5 days from now we will begin a fundamental transformation of this country and then he tried to get it done. Give him one or two more years and he will have us there. Maybe one more year will do it since he has taken it much farther already than I thought he could in 8 years.

I vote for fascism and Obama but then that could be wrong.

The definitions are just what I have always thought were the definitions of those things.
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Old 11-18-2011, 08:12 PM
 
Location: Southcentral Kansas
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They're all the same. They're all inclusive. Those that claim Fascism was somehow different than socialism are disingenuous, and, quite frankly, liars.
Oh the Godfather and I really believe that Obama is going to dictatorship in which he can try to make us believe it is socialism.
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Old 11-18-2011, 08:13 PM
 
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As an economic system, fascism is socialism with a capitalist veneer. The word derives from fasces, the Roman symbol of collectivism and power: a tied bundle of rods with a protruding ax. In its day (the 1920s and 1930s), fascism was seen as the happy medium between boom-and-bust-prone liberal capitalism, with its alleged class conflict, wasteful competition, and profit-oriented egoism, and revolutionary Marxism, with its violent and socially divisive persecution of the bourgeoisie. Fascism substituted the particularity of nationalism and racialism—“blood and soil”—for the internationalism of both classical liberalism and Marxism.

Where socialism sought totalitarian control of a society’s economic processes through direct state operation of the means of production, fascism sought that control indirectly, through domination of nominally private owners. Where socialism nationalized property explicitly, fascism did so implicitly, by requiring owners to use their property in the “national interest”—that is, as the autocratic authority conceived it.
Fascism: The Concise Encyclopedia of Economics | Library of Economics and Liberty
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