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Old 11-19-2011, 02:58 PM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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Indeed, the treatment of animals is so bad that mass movement towards vegetarianism would be the only thing to turn such "farmers" into humans again...
Those people running CAFOs are not farmers, not by any stretch.
They are business people working for corporate America.

There are plenty of farmers in America that do good by their animals.
Don't lump the two together please.
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Old 11-19-2011, 03:04 PM
 
Location: West Coast of Europe
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Those people running CAFOs are not farmers, not by any stretch.
They are business people working for corporate America.

There are plenty of farmers in America that do good by their animals.
Don't lump the two together please.
That's why I used " "...
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Old 11-19-2011, 03:06 PM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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That's why I used " "...
Sorry..your post just rubbed me the wrong way.
Seeing CAFO and farmer in the same sentence is like seeing China and organic in a sentence describing imported food
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Old 11-19-2011, 03:13 PM
 
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God, that's disgusting.

Many municipalities have laws against having livestock, unfortunately. HappyTexan, thanks for that link!
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Old 11-19-2011, 03:15 PM
 
Location: West Coast of Europe
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I assume that McDonalds, Walmart, and the like exert so much pressure on producers that decent agriculture is becoming rarer and rarer. It is all about quantity and price. And certainly the only reason why McDonalds dropped that supplier is its own image, not any moral aspect.

Having been a vegetarian for a quarter of a century now, I think killing any animal is cruel, especially mammals and other highly developed animals. I don't mourn if I accidentally step on a spider or ant, though
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Old 11-19-2011, 03:21 PM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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I assume that McDonalds, Walmart, and the like exert so much pressure on producers that decent agriculture is becoming rarer and rarer. It is all about quantity and price. And certainly the only reason why McDonalds dropped that supplier is its own image, not any moral aspect.

Having been a vegetarian for a quarter of a century now, I think killing any animal is cruel, especially mammals and other highly developed animals. I don't mourn if I accidentally step on a spider or ant, though
You just cannot mass produce agriculture the old way.
And the next producer McDonalds picks up may be no better.
They are all mass producers and all pretty much follow the same guidelines as crappy as they are for CAFO production.
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