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Old 11-23-2011, 12:09 AM
 
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This is complete fabrication on your part. There's a difference between identifying a problem and blaming it for all of your failures. Conservatives may have problems with certain things, but they're not camping out in the streets against affirmative action or minorities while doing nothing to improve their own situations.
While camping out on streets might be useless, there are just as much wing nuts on the right. The right often have boogie mans that they blame for societal problems. Illegal aliens and minorities are often the scapegoats for problems throughout the modern era in America.
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Old 11-23-2011, 12:10 AM
 
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While camping out on streets might be useless, there are just as much wing nuts on the right. The right often have boogie mans that they blame for societal problems. Illegal aliens and minorities are often the scapegoats for problems throughout the modern era in America.
Everybody has one. But I only see one group demanding that the government come in and hand them something for free in order to make up for the unfairness.
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Old 11-23-2011, 12:11 AM
 
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That statement is a logical fallacy but not exactly a straw man. A straw man is very specific in that it intentionally misrepresents what the other side is saying.

The form I have seen it most commonly displayed on CD is when a liberal makes a statement and a conservative replies..."so are you saying (insert tangentially, or entirely unrelated statement that contains obvious problems)."

Here is one I see that is quite common.

Liberal: I believe a woman should be able to have a choice regarding abortion.

Conservative: So are you saying support killing babies?
Logical fallacies are straw mans.


I agree with your post for the most part though.
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Old 11-23-2011, 12:13 AM
 
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Everybody has one. But I only see one group demanding that the government come in and hand them something for free in order to make up for the unfairness.
No, liberals don't look for hand outs. They often demand equal opportunities. Asking for equal opportunities is not asking for hand outs.
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Old 11-23-2011, 12:13 AM
 
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Logical fallacies are straw mans.
No, straw mans are logical fallacies.

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No, liberals don't look for hand outs. They often demand equal opportunities. Asking for equal opportunities is not asking for hand outs.
I support hand outs in certain forms, but if you're asking to take from one and give to another, that is a hand out, period.
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Old 11-23-2011, 12:13 AM
 
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This is complete fabrication on your part. There's a difference between identifying a problem and blaming it for all of your failures.
Potatoe, potato, tomatoe, tomato. I'm not going to argue semantics.

I've heard many conservatives blame immigrants and minorities for their troubles, yet they never seem to assume responsibility for their situation.
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Old 11-23-2011, 12:13 AM
 
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No, straw mans are logical fallacies.
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Old 11-23-2011, 12:15 AM
 
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Potatoe, potato, tomatoe, tomato. I'm not going to argue semantics.

I've heard many conservatives blame immigrants and minorities for their troubles, yet they never seem to assume responsibility for their situation.
It's not semantics. You've fused two things together when they are entirely different. I don't see conservatives saying we should tax immigrants and minorities and hand that money over to conservatives. Do you?
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Old 11-23-2011, 12:17 AM
 
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It's not semantics. You've fused two things together when they are entirely different. I don't see conservatives saying we should tax immigrants and minorities and hand that money over to conservatives. Do you?
Now that is a straw man.
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Old 11-23-2011, 12:18 AM
 
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It's not semantics. You've fused two things together when they are entirely different. I don't see conservatives saying we should tax immigrants and minorities and hand that money over to conservatives. Do you?
Be careful with the straw mans. IIRC he said

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I've heard many conservatives blame immigrants and minorities for their troubles, yet they never seem to assume responsibility for their situation.
The entire highlighted part is a strawman to deflect the argument. In fact it is the exact type of straw man I just mentioned.

The fact is you can find entire threads on CD that blame problems on minorities, particularly inner city crime, and the drug trade.
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