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Old 12-19-2011, 09:52 PM
 
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To hell with Wisconsin!

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The Texas Attorney General has offered to defend a Texas county under attack by a group of Wisconsin atheists who are demanding that a Nativity located on the lawn of the Henderson County courthouse be torn down.

“Our message to the atheists is don’t mess with Texas and our Nativity scenes or the Ten Commandments,” Attorney General Greg Abbott told Fox News & Commentary. “I want the Freedom From Religion Foundation to know that our office has a history of defending religious displays in this state.”

TX Attorney General Tells Atheists: “Don’t Mess With Texas” | FOX News & Commentary: Todd Starnes
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Old 12-19-2011, 09:59 PM
 
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Atheists are pariahs of society. I love how they target Christianity but not any other religion... talk about hypocrites
It's not hypocrisy that is the cause. Nothing angers Satan more than those that believe in the one true God.
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Old 12-19-2011, 10:33 PM
 
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Kudos to an east Texas town for refusing to bow to an atheist group from Wisconsin.

One person complains (who is not even a verified citizen of the town) and the town should take down the nativity manger which has been a part of the local Christmas holiday for decades?

Who's kidding who?

If every organization appeased every single complaint by one individual nothing would be sold, nothing would be aired on the radio, nothing shown on TV, no movies and there would be darn few jobs in America.
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Old 12-20-2011, 11:17 AM
 
Location: Purgatory (A.K.A. Dallas, Texas)
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Kudos to an east Texas town for refusing to bow to an atheist group from Wisconsin.

One person complains (who is not even a verified citizen of the town) and the town should take down the nativity manger which has been a part of the local Christmas holiday for decades?

Who's kidding who?

If every organization appeased every single complaint by one individual nothing would be sold, nothing would be aired on the radio, nothing shown on TV, no movies and there would be darn few jobs in America.

And when the Wisconsin group files suit, the judge will order the town to take it down, since it clearly violates the established law.
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Old 12-20-2011, 11:34 AM
 
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And when the Wisconsin group files suit, the judge will order the town to take it down, since it clearly violates the established law.
It violates nothing. How come you people who parrot this are so lacking in the facts department? LEARN YOUR RIGHTS AND LAWS it will do you good.
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Old 12-20-2011, 03:29 PM
 
Location: Purgatory (A.K.A. Dallas, Texas)
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It violates nothing. How come you people who parrot this are so lacking in the facts department? LEARN YOUR RIGHTS AND LAWS it will do you good.

It violates long-established law relating to religious displays on government property.

Lynch v. Donnelly - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

County of Allegheny v. ACLU - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Learn those facts and rights before you spout off about lacking in the facts department.
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Old 12-21-2011, 10:11 AM
 
Location: California
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the AG is in direct contravention to long-settled law regarding these things.
Long-settled law? There's a Test for that! It's called the Lemon Test.

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And when the Wisconsin group files suit, the judge will order the town to take it down, since it clearly violates the established law.
Awfully big claim without reading your own links.

Lynch vs Donnelly: The Supreme Court reversed previous rulings in a vote of 5-4, ruling that the display was not an effort to advocate a particular religious message and had "legitimate secular purposes."
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Old 12-21-2011, 10:28 AM
 
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I see that a number of people from Oregon and Washington State are all up in arms about what happens in a state that doesn't affect them.

Why don't you worry about things that concern you such as... the out of control meth problem in your states, people with terrible fashion sense, seasonal affective disorder, overcaffeinated manic depressed people, overly high suicide rates, and a high number of passive aggressive douchbags

If you don't like how Texas treats athiests, don't go there... simple
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Old 12-21-2011, 02:10 PM
 
Location: Purgatory (A.K.A. Dallas, Texas)
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Long-settled law? There's a Test for that! It's called the Lemon Test.

Awfully big claim without reading your own links.

Lynch vs Donnelly: The Supreme Court reversed previous rulings in a vote of 5-4, ruling that the display was not an effort to advocate a particular religious message and had "legitimate secular purposes."

I've read the actual cases. First, the Lemon Test is used only sporadically and most people, including Justices, seem to wish it would just go away. More important is O'Connor's Endorsement Test, possibly Kennedy's Coercion test.

Second, try actually reading something about the cases before you spout off on something you know nothing about.

In Lynch, the Court held that because there were other secular displays to go along with the creche, it was not a government endorsement of religion. Here, they just have the creche with nothing else on government land. That, according to Lynch, is not OK, which was re-affirmed in Allegheny, in which there was nothing else to detract from the creche.

So yes, it's in direct contravention to clearly settled law.
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Old 12-21-2011, 02:13 PM
 
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I've read the actual cases. First, the Lemon Test is used only sporadically and most people, including Justices, seem to wish it would just go away. More important is O'Connor's Endorsement Test, possibly Kennedy's Coercion test.

Second, try actually reading something about the cases before you spout off on something you know nothing about.

In Lynch, the Court held that because there were other secular displays to go along with the creche, it was not a government endorsement of religion. Here, they just have the creche with nothing else on government land. That, according to Lynch, is not OK, which was re-affirmed in Allegheny, in which there was nothing else to detract from the creche.

So yes, it's in direct contravention to clearly settled law.
It's far from settled. The difference that you are overlooking is, the only way this is unconstitutional is if OTHERS are denied their right to display THEIR stuff. Is this what happened in Texas? Was any other group denied permission to have their display?
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