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Saudi Arabia has bought tons of our weapon systems - let them fight this. We shouldn't be their pit bulls or their bouncers. Let them use their own military to keep the straight open and let them fight their own fights. If they can't take Iran, then they suck and they can take it from there. We have enough oil in North America that we should be paying for that country in American blood (or Iranian). All these countries in the ME (Israel, Turkey, Jordan, Saudi Arabia, etc) can take car of themselves and don't need us and we need to quit pretending that they do cuz they are playing us for fools and all our money.
Haven't you notice yet that the US does the dirty work over there ?
The ME countries just vote yes/no and we're the ones with bombs and boots on the ground.
Too many of you watch too much TV "news", Iran aint Iraq and unlike Iraq they will fight and have a serious military NOT ONLY in Iran but around the globe. And don't think Russia and China will just sit on the sideline either. Oh BTW we already have a traffic jam of Red boomer subs off both coasts NOW. If you'll research who is dis-arming and who is re-arming you will see we is in deep, deep doo doo. Plus with most of our military tied up, tired out and just plain wore out we can't fight a real war. All this "war on terror" has done by design is weaken us down to be easily whipped. Time to wake up and quit this stupid lets go bomb'em mentality - if you are 18-35 you are about to go do the bomb'em thing in person so be careful what ya wish for! Russia, Red China, Iran, North Korea, and a long list of proxies can't wait to kick our hind parts and who will help us in a real knock down but gut bustin war? Since 9/11 America has become the most hated nation on Earth, how many countries have buried victims of hellfire missiles fired from drones? How many countries have we aided in overthrowing their Gov'ts? What goes around comes around..........
All of you who are bored with college bowl games and are breathlessly awaiting live coverage of the Iran war are going to be so disappointed when it turns out to be nothing but more empty posturing.
But you'll still have the NFL playoffs to keep you entertained.
They think that if a war happens and they can drag it out the american people will get sick of wars and rise up against. We probably won't rise up against it but who knows with all the trouble thats been happening lately. Its getting close right now and it is very scary. A war with Iran could lead to anything including WW3.
If Iran's leadership actually believes it would win a war against the U.S., it really is nuts.
This is probably a case where the threat of action is more powerful than the action itself. The closure of Hormuz is a playing card, and a powerful one at that. They're using that because they want to make Americans think long and hard about a preemptive strike that would take out Iran's nuclear capabilities. And they've already accomplished that, to a degree. Otherwise we would have just continued marching into Iran from Baghdad.
Americans would be outraged if Iran closed the straight of Hormuz and sent the price of gas skyrocketing. As much as people will say 'No blood for oil,' that's a scenario in which people would probably welcome rivers of blood for cheaper petrol. It would be nicer if we could make a connection between oil dependency and better infrastructure and energy conservation at home, but that's 'socialist' so people aren't going to make that association. But they will connect the closure of Hormuz with the shock to their bank accounts, and Americans won't tolerate it. Nor will most of the industrialized world.
A rational Iranian leadership would know this. The danger here is that there's a miscalculation and that brinkmanship goes one step too far, forcing one side or the other to respond.
"I do not know with what weapons World War 3 will be fought, but World War 4 will be fought with sticks and stones."Albert Einstein
Nukes are old school by now.....
Look at weapons technology advances from the period of the civil war, to WWI, a span of 50 years. Compare further, the advances from the end of WWI to the beginning of WWII, then the advances during the 5-7 yrs of that war itself, culminating in nuclear weapons.
To think some other, far more advanced weapon system hasnt been developed in the past SEVENTY years, might be somewhat shortsighted.
HAARP, is the one that comes to mind, right off hand. A quick search will show that Russia, and China, also seem to have developed their versions of HAARP as well. Just what these things do is very speculative. But the larger powers seem to want them, which tells me they are weapons, and not research facilities.
They tend to leave that part out of American history books.
You are both wrong on this one. Japan needed unlimited/unfettered access to raw materials and natural resources that a smaller island nation inherently did not/does not have. When you live on a raft/ialand you tend to run out or simply lack the supplies you need. The world was heating up.
Japan's goal was to knock out the lone power who may have had the ability, eventually to stop their imperial expansion, the US. Though we were pretty anemic militarily at the time, we were truly becomming an industrial power/concern. Do not forget a number of Japanese generals and admirals first studied and were educated in the states. Pearl Harbor was, in the classic sense, a pre-emptive strike. Nothing more. The Japanese knew ahead of time that they could not win a sustained war with the US so the prevailing thought at the time was to hit the US hard, sue for peace with the thought that we would take it and let them ravage the pac-rim unmolested.
As luck would have it, it didn't go well for them. I believe it was Yamamoto who said, "we have only wakened a sleeping giant", shortly after the strike. He was one who was educated in the US and marveled at our growing industrial base. He knew precisely what would happen in a sustained war with the US. Shame Hitler didn't see us in the same light. Might have saved millions.
Japan's quest for access to raw materials started in the late twenties and throughout the thirties. Just ask the Chinese. They managed to slaughter 250,000 when Japan invaded mainland China. No wonder the Chinese helped a few survivors of Doolittle's raid 6 months after Pearl Harbor. We were their heroes. Go figure.
So, the Japanese expansion and attack on Pearl Harbor was NOT about oil. Get it right. Perceptions become reality if you let them.
You are both wrong on this one. Japan needed unlimited/unfettered access to raw materials and natural resources that a smaller island nation inherently did not/does not have. When you live on a raft/ialand you tend to run out or simply lack the supplies you need. The world was heating up.
Japan's goal was to knock out the lone power who may have had the ability, eventually to stop their imperial expansion, the US. Though we were pretty anemic militarily at the time, we were truly becomming an industrial power/concern. Do not forget a number of Japanese generals and admirals first studied and were educated in the states. Pearl Harbor was, in the classic sense, a pre-emptive strike. Nothing more. The Japanese knew ahead of time that they could not win a sustained war with the US so the prevailing thought at the time was to hit the US hard, sue for peace with the thought that we would take it and let them ravage the pac-rim unmolested.
As luck would have it, it didn't go well for them. I believe it was Yamamoto who said, "we have only wakened a sleeping giant", shortly after the strike. He was one who was educated in the US and marveled at our growing industrial base. He knew precisely what would happen in a sustained war with the US. Shame Hitler didn't see us in the same light. Might have saved millions.
Japan's quest for access to raw materials started in the late twenties and throughout the thirties. Just ask the Chinese. They managed to slaughter 250,000 when Japan invaded mainland China. No wonder the Chinese helped a few survivors of Doolittle's raid 6 months after Pearl Harbor. We were their heroes. Go figure.
So, the Japanese expansion and attack on Pearl Harbor was NOT about oil. Get it right. Perceptions become reality if you let them.
The interesting part about the Pacific War is that it directly led to the rise of Communist China. I don't know why Americans complain about Communist China all the time since they were the reason for its rise by allowing Stalin to invade Manchuria. Mao Zedong established Manchuria (which was the most industrialized region of China) as his base of operations and he eventually won the Chinese Civil War. Think about the consequences before making a move, our politicians certainly didn't and have never did.
IMO, I think the Chinese in 50 years will accomplish what the Japanese failed to accomplish and that is to establish the Pacific specifically the Western Pacific as its sphere of influence. I also expect the Chinese to expel the Americans from the Western Pacific region in 50 years and make an agreement with America to split the Pacific into two different spheres of influence. I don't know how the Americans can actually compete against the economically powerful Chinese diaspora in Southeast Asian countries since they are going to influence their respective countries to bandwagon around China.
The interesting part about the Pacific War is that it directly led to the rise of Communist China. I don't know why Americans complain about Communist China all the time since they were the reason for its rise by allowing Stalin to invade Manchuria. Mao Zedong established Manchuria (which was the most industrialized region of China) as his base of operations and he eventually won the Chinese Civil War. Think about the consequences before making a move, our politicians certainly didn't and have never did.
IMO, I think the Chinese in 50 years will accomplish what the Japanese failed to accomplish and that is to establish the Pacific specifically the Western Pacific as its sphere of influence. I also expect the Chinese to expel the Americans from the Western Pacific region in 50 years and make an agreement with America to split the Pacific into two different spheres of influence. I don't know how the Americans can actually compete against the economically powerful Chinese diaspora in Southeast Asian countries since they are going to influence their respective countries to bandwagon around China.
China has a 5000 year history. They are the only one of the classical civilizations that has survived to the present. In all that time, they've been an inward looking culture, focused on keeping others out, rather than on expansion.
Personally, I seriously doubt they'll do a 180 in the next few decades.
Oh wait, some of you can't vote for him! He supported ABC legislation in 1971 and XYZ legislation in 1954. Or maybe Roe v. Wade? Oh wait, he might let you drink RAW milk. We can't have any of that! In 2000, he voted no against the Assistance for International Malaria Control Act! How dare he?
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