Why do Americas get Socialism, Marxism and Communism mixed up? (salary, enemy)
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Because all three are just insults hurled mindlessly by the right. Like pinko, wacko, moonbat, *******, feminazi,etc.
Insulting people in debate is sort of a ******* kind of thing to do ironically. The conservatives, I find, tend to be a little more rational in debate and tend to take a false premise to its twisted logical conclusion. Then they create a nice euphemism for it called the "market" no matter how it turns out. A 14 year old girl prostitutes herself? market. Babies in garbage cans? market. An 8 year old galley slave can always work their way up because the market is like a benovolent god who weeps for every industrious soul.
The bleeding heart liberal on the other hand will call you a neocon fascist if you see nothing wrong with the repossention of a 60" flatscreen TV when they are 6 months behind in payments because they didn't budget their meth, the essential priority. They don't have reasons. Everything is someone elses fault. Society made them watch daytime TV and then have no choice but to rob the only liquor store within 5 square miles that wasn't looted during the last riot now also euphamistically called a protest.
Socialism: You have two cows. The government takes one and gives it to your neighbor. Communism: You have two cows. You give them to the Government, and the Government then gives you some milk. Fascism: You have two cows. You give them to the Government, and the Government then sells you some milk. Capitalism: You have two cows. You sell one and buy a bull. Nazism: You have two cows. The Government shoots you and takes the cows. Bureaucracy: You have two cows. You give them to the Government, they shoot one and milk the other then pour the milk down the drain.
Its missing some.
Feudalism: You have two cows. You give milk to a landlord to graze them.
Monopoly Capitalism: You don't have any cows.
Anarchist: You had two cow but don't know where they are after taking a nap.
Profit Capitalism, Loss Socialism: In good times people with no cows break even, and people with lots of cows get more cows. In bad times people with no cows owe one cow to people with lots of cows.
Jesus , would it kill you guys to read just one work by Marx?? Just one.
In Communism the government withers away, there is no need for government. A sophomore political science major will tell you that, but then again schools are run with communists so you can't trust em.
Hee haw
Would it kill you to cite ONE EXAMPLE of communism leading to the disappearance of government? Just One?
Would it kill you to cite ONE EXAMPLE of communism leading to the disappearance of government? Just One?
Communism has never existed in a nation state nor will it ever. The Soviet Union was the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics.
Socialism, correctly defined, is when governments own the means of production.
Most governments find it is easier to steal and redistribute wealth than it is to produce wealth themselves. The genius of Mussolini was he tweaked Marxism when he realized that existing businessman could outproduce government bureaucrats than all he had to do was steal the final product.
The economic system of the Western world is actually much closer to fascism than either pure capitalism or socialism. If somebody came from 1940 to view the world today they would think the Fascists won WWII.
Would it kill you to cite ONE EXAMPLE of communism leading to the disappearance of government? Just One?
It goes back to what I said earlier. There is a difference between Communism as Marx envisioned it, and what some dictators have called Communism after the fact. Marx was very much an intellectual dealing in big, abstract ideas. He never detailed how any of these things were supposed to actually work, which is the problem.
He saw Communism as the absence of government, a self sustaining society where things were collectively owned and run by the people, and resources were shared. He saw Socialism as a system where profit making companies were collectively owned by the all who worked there, and they would make all the decisions together and share in the profits. Under his version of Socialism, the government would only make sure food, energy, healthcare... things like that... were distributed equitably. Basic resources would be collectively owned and shared by all (through some sort of government intervention), but other types of companies would not be.
What some dictators did down the road was take the Marx concepts of "shared resources" and had the government execute them without input from the people, which is at odds with the spirit of Marx since he wanted the people to control everything collectively, not a dictator. Marx wanted democratic rule. What became Communism in, say, Russia or Cuba was not that.
We have had some instances of some European countries that have done a kind of hybrid version of Socialism/Capitalism, but no country has actually regulated that all workers own/control part of the companies they work for, so we have never had real Socialism.
When you have modern pro-Socialist or pro-Communist organizations they are usually talking about Marx's definition of those words. When you have right leaning entities writing about the evils of Communism or Socialism they are usually talking about what some dictators did or the hybrid version that exists in some European countries, either that or some kind of nightmare scenario that doesn't actually exist. Everybody is talking about different things using the same words.
Would it kill you to cite ONE EXAMPLE of communism leading to the disappearance of government? Just One?
Communism and Socialism has never existed, so no I can't give you one.
The leaders of many "Communist" countries are as Communist as the leaders of The Crusades were Christian. It was in name only
The core of Socialism and Communism is an equal classless society. Show me where that has existed??? Any nation that calls itself socialist and doesn't have a classless society is like a Christian who opposes the teachings of Jesus Christ.
Americans are born slaves. Just give 'em a nice pat on the head every once in while.
Could you be more specific?
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