Why do Americas get Socialism, Marxism and Communism mixed up? (Reagan, lobbyist)
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Communism has never existed in a nation state nor will it ever. The Soviet Union was the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics.
Socialism, correctly defined, is when governments own the means of production.
Most governments find it is easier to steal and redistribute wealth than it is to produce wealth themselves. The genius of Mussolini was he tweaked Marxism when he realized that existing businessman could outproduce government bureaucrats than all he had to do was steal the final product.
The economic system of the Western world is actually much closer to fascism than either pure capitalism or socialism. If somebody came from 1940 to view the world today they would think the Fascists won WWII.
The above video is mostly wrong.
The video is 100% correct in theory as well as in demonstrated historical examples.
And it's really very simple .... whether Corporate Interests effectively runs government and dictates policies that the alleged "elected government" then implements (Fascism or Corporatism) ... or government owns or runs Corporations (Communism-Socialism) .... it's really the same thing at the end of the day. The difference is semantics, and the common denominator is central control either way.
What we have in this country is an illusion of free market capitalism and representative government, which is anything but that in reality. You cannot have free markets or representative government when the entire system is controlled by a monopolistic private corporation (Federal Reserve) who uses their control over the monetary system to exert that power and control, dictating both the business cycle and government policy.
In other words, money talks and BS walks, and he who controls the gold controls everything else.
Mayer Rothschild said ... "Give me control of a nation's currency and I care not who makes it's laws".
The video is 100% correct in theory as well as in demonstrated historical examples.
And it's really very simple .... whether Corporate Interests effectively runs government and dictates policies that the alleged "elected government" then implements (Fascism or Corporatism) ... or government owns or runs Corporations (Communism-Socialism) .... it's really the same thing at the end of the day. The difference is semantics, and the common denominator is central control either way.
What we have in this country is an illusion of free market capitalism and representative government, which is anything but that in reality. You cannot have free markets or representative government when the entire system is controlled by a monopolistic private corporation (Federal Reserve) who uses their control over the monetary system to exert that power and control, dictating both the business cycle and government policy.
In other words, money talks and BS walks, and he who controls the gold controls everything else.
Mayer Rothschild said ... "Give me control of a nation's currency and I care not who makes it's laws".
Nope, communism is actually, in theory, an anarchic philosophy. About at the 0% level, pure socialism is close to the 100% level, while fascism is probably about at 75%. What confuses people is those who preach communism, when they gain power, govern as tyrannical socialists because men do not willingly give up all rights to private property.
The video is both simplistic and stupid. Designed for the typical moronic voter.
The extremely ignorant ones throw liberalism in there as well.
Savior, I think that some of those who don't realize that liberals aren't all progressives are the ones who don't understand this problem. Anyone who doesn't realize that socialism is the simplest form of Marxism that leads to it is too simple for me.
Jesus , would it kill you guys to read just one work by Marx?? Just one.
In Communism the government withers away, there is no need for government. A sophomore political science major will tell you that, but then again schools are run with communists so you can't trust em.
Hee haw
Did you just say that what existed in the Soviet Union was never Communism? Any fool knows that a government with the power of a dictatorship of the proletariat will never wither and die. When it became obvious in that part of the world that city people were riding on the backs of farmers they were in real trouble.
Hell, Savoir, they said they were Communist but very few people really believed it. However, they did have a system that was based on control of everything by the government. What they had was nothing but a dictatorship and like all of them it couldn't last for ever.
All this squealing about communism, socialism, Marxism and so on just doesn't cut much with me. They are all forms of socialism and we are swiftly creeping toward them. Prince Barack of HopenChange has moved us further that direction in 3 years than I thought he could in 8.
It is easy to answer this OP question! Marx was a Communist. What is "mixed up" is not most of the folks. The concepts are all intertwined.
Not all Socialist nations are Communist, but all Communist nations are Socialists, owning everything even if covertly, so to speak, being "mama" from cradle to grave and therefore being a very, controlling "mama."
Here's some geniune Karl Marx quotes to help you understand why and how you think folks are "mixed up." Yeah! I don't fault you for thinking this. I recently, probably at this very forum had someone think they were able to insult me and say I didn't know what Marxism and Communism were. This person was, of course in gross error and made a fool of him or herself.
"Communism is the riddle of history solved, and it knows itself to be this solution." - Marx, in "Private Property and Communism" (1844)
"When communist artisans associate with one another, theory, propaganda, etc., is their first end. But at the same time, as a result of this association, they acquire a new need — the need for society — and what appears as a means becomes an end. ... the brotherhood of man is no mere phrase with them, but a fact of life, and the nobility of man shines upon us from their work-hardened bodies." - Marx, "Human Needs and the Division of Labor" also 1844
It goes back to what I said earlier. There is a difference between Communism as Marx envisioned it, and what some dictators have called Communism after the fact. Marx was very much an intellectual dealing in big, abstract ideas. He never detailed how any of these things were supposed to actually work, which is the problem.
He saw Communism as the absence of government, a self sustaining society where things were collectively owned and run by the people, and resources were shared. He saw Socialism as a system where profit making companies were collectively owned by the all who worked there, and they would make all the decisions together and share in the profits. Under his version of Socialism, the government would only make sure food, energy, healthcare... things like that... were distributed equitably. Basic resources would be collectively owned and shared by all (through some sort of government intervention), but other types of companies would not be.
That's a load of bull, and you need to listen up. Karl Marx published "The Communist Manifesto" and I suggest you read it. Far from just pie in the sky theory, the Communist Manifesto details specific steps in implementing a communist system, including the steps required to first destroy free market capitalism. And it's a broad reaching effort encompassing the entire societal structure as well as government and economics.
Furthermore, there is NOTHING equitable about the Marxist philosophy which Marx himself summed up with "FROM each according to his ability, TO each according to his needs". What could be LESS "equitable" than a system that is designed for some to contribute twice as much as they take, while others take twice as much as they contribute? That's what Marxism is all about, and it relies on Utopian ignorance that personifies the leftist mentality, denying fundamental human nature, while expecting that people will contribute to the best of their ability without incentive, and often under circumstances that are demotivating. Pure Hogwash. This never has worked and never will.
Take a practical example ... let's say you work at a car wash. And you're paid $40 per day salary. You are able to wash two cars an hour if you work real hard, washing 16 cars a day for your $40. After a while, you discover that your coworker (who is a bit lazy) only washes 1 car per hour, yet is being paid $50 per day (because he needs more money than you do). How will you feel about that? You gonna continue busting your hump to wash 16 cars for his every 8, while he's paid more? I don't think so. You're going to do what 99.999% would do ... you're going to say the hell with busting my rear and making less ... so you'll slow down, creating your own "equitable situation" by washing 6 or 7 cars a day which will effectively gain you the same rate per car earnings as your lazy coworker. That's REALITY. And that is precisely what occurs in every socialist-communist system ... economic stagnation, and eventual economic failure.
When the car washers do that ... you end up with a lot more dirty cars and car wash companies going out of business. But when when the farmers do that ... and the miners ... and the energy engineers ... and everyone else does, you start having shortages of food, and electricity and everything else you rely on. THAT'S THE REALITY.
There must be individual incentives for people to produce to the best of their ability .... the absence of those incentives leads to decline in production EVERY TIME, which is why socialistic welfare states fail from stagnation and wealth extraction, and do nothing but generate increasing levels of dependence until the people run out of money for the controllers to steal and redistribute. The added fraud come as the "Central Controllers" ALWAYS steal far more than they dole out in promised benefits to their communist comrades, while keeping the lion's share for themselves. Eventually, everyone winds up bankrupt and starving, except for their wealthy and well fed controllers.
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Originally Posted by Tinawina
What some dictators did down the road was take the Marx concepts of "shared resources" and had the government execute them without input from the people, which is at odds with the spirit of Marx since he wanted the people to control everything collectively, not a dictator. Marx wanted democratic rule. What became Communism in, say, Russia or Cuba was not that.
The most despotic system ever conceived ... Democracy. Benjamin Franklin called democracy "Two Wolves and a Sheep voting on what's for Supper". And that is as good a definition as one could use. That is the practical reality ... in a pure democracy, 51% could literally vote the other 49% out of existence, or make that 49% servants to the 51%, which, in a democracy, the 49% are indeed slaves to the 51%.
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Originally Posted by Tinawina
We have had some instances of some European countries that have done a kind of hybrid version of Socialism/Capitalism, but no country has actually regulated that all workers own/control part of the companies they work for, so we have never had real Socialism.
When you have modern pro-Socialist or pro-Communist organizations they are usually talking about Marx's definition of those words. When you have right leaning entities writing about the evils of Communism or Socialism they are usually talking about what some dictators did or the hybrid version that exists in some European countries, either that or some kind of nightmare scenario that doesn't actually exist. Everybody is talking about different things using the same words.
No! When we hear leftists extolling the virtues of socialism-communism what we have is a group of very deluded people with their collective heads stuck in such an anatomically improper location, that all they can see is a close up view of their colons. That is the only explanation for why they fail to see that these supposed glories of communism-socialism cannot work and never have worked for the very common sense reasons just explained. This is just total and complete deception.
Moreover, this little sham was purposely done to you through poor education (part of the 10 Planks outlined in Marx's Communist Manifesto) ... the first step was to pull the wool over your eyes by teaching you socialist nonsense in school. Once sufficiently blinded by BS, you couldn't see your head making it's way to where it eventually came to reside. The reality will be quite shocking to you, and you'll no doubt deny it with the utmost fervor. Nevertheless, you are a victim of purposeful deception.
You see, Karl Marx was funded by the Rothschild dynasty (which had significant financial control over most of Europe during Marx's day) to create this phony baloney socialist-communist system to appeal to the disgruntled worker class who were really sick and tired of the old European Monarchical-Feudalistic models. And "socialism" is just "Communism-lite" for those watching their totalitarian caloric intake. It's just incremental steps starting from socialism to full blown communism, from socialism's effect in creating public dependence on socialist programs, to total entrapment and enslavement in a totalitarian communist ruling system. The cheese (Socialism) and the trap (Totalitarianism).
In all fairness to you on the deluded left, the same deception has been perpetrated on those on the right too .... our alleged western "free market" capitalist system that supposedly competes with and often paints "communism" as the enemy (which it is) is also a total fraud. That Free Market system no longer exists, because it was ultimately taken over in 1913 by the same people who brought you Socialism-Communism. That's right, the very same money changer gangsters that funded the creation of Karl Marx's socialist-communist delusions, created the antithesis of it in "Crony Capitalism" (or Fascism), now masquerading as the old "Free Market" capitalist system which did indeed create and made American the richest and greatest free nation on earth, for which we are no longer, thanks to the Fascists. We are no longer free or rich or great. We are bankrupt in every sense of the word, morally, spiritually, and financially. And it was all by design.
And that really is the insidious part of all this .... totally blind are the masses to the reality that communism and fascism really really do produce the same results at the end, because they are the same thing, with slightly different disguises. Both are prostitutes ... one just happens to look like a street hooker while the other identifies herself as a call girl who wears fancier dresses and caters to a wealthier clientele .... but they are selling the same thing. Totalitarianism by whatever name is still the same.
And there is a greater purpose in this false left-right ... communist-socialist-fascist-capitalist battle that never really was ..... that is to keep the masses battling each other, while the real enemy ... the controllers keep advancing their agendas unnoticed. This is part of the Hegelian Dialectic .... "Problem, Reaction, Solution".
If you want to educate yourself and find out the real deal, don't take my word for any of this ... just start here:
Timeline of the Rothschild family (purveyors of the Federal Reserve, The World Bank, The International Monetary Fund, The Bank of England, etc., etc.)
Now if your first thought is "Conspiracy Theory" ... that's proof that you just aren't thinking ... or more accurately ... you're thinking what you've been taught to think. STOP! And start thinking for yourself. You couldn't possibly do worse on your own than you're doing right now. When you do, I promise it will be a "liberating" experience, and you'll see right through this fraud like a clean pane of glass, and you wonder how you could have missed all that evidence right under your nose.
There's one thing more powerful to own than gold and that's the food supply.
The Golden Rule ALWAYS prevails ... "he who owns the gold, rules". And that's true when it comes to food too. When you own the money and the banks, you own the land and the water rights ... you own the equipment and the regulators and every aspect of agriculture and production.
Why else do you think we have the FDA & BLM SWATT teaming small co-ops and Amish farmers and small ranchers ... hmmm? Why else are they driving the small farmers into bankruptcy and imposing such draconian regulations under the false nonsense of protecting public health? Yet, they continue to allow Monsanto to poison the entire biosphere with GMO seeds, all the while they continue pumping fluoride into the water in spite of the now WELL ESTABLISHED proof that it's harmful, and offers no benefit whatsoever?
People need to wake up ... we aren't in Kansas anymore.
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