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Old 01-01-2012, 10:38 PM
 
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Franklin Delano Roosevelt (FDR) is the GREATEST President of all time. Elected FOUR times as President in landslide elections by Americans, he was the longest serving and most consequential President ever to take office. He, NOT Reagan made us a Superpower by giving us a nuclear detterrent. He saved the country from sure collapse during the Great Depression and restored our economy.

He created the only social safety net that America has: Social Security and Medicare -- two things that are staples of American life today and two things that have preserved our standard of living over the years. Republicans, including Reagan have tried time and time again to destroy these popular programs but failed miserably.

As much as Republicans protest, Social Security and Medicare are incredibly popular with Americans. If you don't believe me ask the average Joe out there if he would voluntarily give up his social security and Medicare. To prove my point, even the most rabid Teabaggers shout: "Get your hands off my Medicare!" at Tea Party rallies. No past President can claim such a lasting influence on American society, not even Abraham Lincoln.

More than any other President, FDR commanded the faith of the American people. He also laid the groundwork for America's victory in World War II. If it wasn't for FDR, America would have succummed to the Great Depression, lost WWII and be a territory of Germany today.

In fact it was due to FDR's incredible success at winning elections why Congress amended the Constitution to implement term limits as Americans seem intent on electing him forever.

I'm sorry Teabaggers, but your guy Reagan is an after thought in a match up with America's greatest President: Franklin Delano Roosevelt.
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Old 01-01-2012, 11:17 PM
 
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Ewwwwww....i'll give grudging approval to that statement, although i do love his cousin slightly more. If the Repubs dig up T.R., i'll personally escort Obama out of the White House.

That aside, i'll take either of the Roosevelt boys first or second, then it's Lincoln, Ike, Truman, and Clinton.

That's my list. Notice i love all the Republicans that the modern day Republican Party can't stand....or would rather forget. LOL..
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Old 01-01-2012, 11:23 PM
 
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Franklin Delano Roosevelt (FDR) is the GREATEST President of all time. Elected FOUR times as President in landslide elections by Americans, he was the longest serving and most consequential President ever to take office. He, NOT Reagan made us a Superpower by giving us a nuclear detterrent. He saved the country from sure collapse during the Great Depression and restored our economy.

He created the only social safety net that America has: Social Security and Medicare -- two things that are staples of American life today and two things that have preserved our standard of living over the years. Republicans, including Reagan have tried time and time again to destroy these popular programs but failed miserably.

As much as Republicans protest, Social Security and Medicare are incredibly popular with Americans. If you don't believe me ask the average Joe out there if he would voluntarily give up his social security and Medicare. To prove my point, even the most rabid Teabaggers shout: "Get your hands off my Medicare!" at Tea Party rallies. No past President can claim such a lasting influence on American society, not even Abraham Lincoln.

More than any other President, FDR commanded the faith of the American people. He also laid the groundwork for America's victory in World War II. If it wasn't for FDR, America would have succummed to the Great Depression, lost WWII and be a territory of Germany today.

In fact it was due to FDR's incredible success at winning elections why Congress amended the Constitution to implement term limits as Americans seem intent on electing him forever.

I'm sorry Teabaggers, but your guy Reagan is an after thought in a match up with America's greatest President: Franklin Delano Roosevelt.


"sure collapse"???

Save the propaganda.

When did unemployment decline under Roosevelt?


Roosevelt was president at a time in which Communism was seen as a viable alternative to regulated Capitalism. As in the adolescent Communist states of the time, the wild claims his administration made about the ability of government to deliver for the masses went unchallenged. No one knew at the time how thoroughly Communism would fail in the decades to come, so FDR, likewise, got the benefit of the doubt when his rosy predictions failed to materialize.


A decade spent flirting with collectivism accomplished nothing.


“We are spending more than we have ever spent before and it does not work. . . . We have never made good on our promises. . . . I say after eight years of this Administration we have just as much unemployment as when we started. . . . And an enormous debt to boot!”

- Treasury Secretary Henry Morgenthau

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Old 01-01-2012, 11:44 PM
 
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When did GDP grow at 9.3% under Roosevelt?
I don't think it ever did. Likewise I don't think FDR was that great a president.
His body wasn't even cold before the congress amended the constitution
to limit the POTUS to two terms. They were afraid FDR wanted to become
a dictator.
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Old 01-01-2012, 11:47 PM
 
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HARDLY! Roosevelt was one of THE WORST presidents actually. It was all smoke and mirrors and the MSM that fabricated the stories about his saintliness. All he did, like OBAMA has done, is spend money with reckless abandon the country didn't have. He made the Great Depression WORSE. It lasted LONGER because of all his irresponsible spending. It wasn't until all the spending stopped and the wars were long over that things really got better for everyone in this country but that isn't the propaganda you read in the history books. This is just the tip of the ice berg too.

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http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news...-1111117742609

".........'President Roosevelt believed that excessive competition was responsible for the Depression by reducing prices and wages, and by extension reducing employment and demand for goods and services,' said Cole, also a UCLA professor of economics. 'So he came up with a recovery package that would be unimaginable today, allowing businesses in every industry to collude without the threat of antitrust prosecution and workers to demand salaries about 25 per cent above where they ought to have been, given market forces. The economy was poised for a beautiful recovery, but that recovery was stalled by these misguided policies. ...."

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http://www.ncpa.org/sub/dpd/index.php?Article_ID=4454

........They say "truth will come out" but sometimes it takes a long time. For more than half a century, it has been a "well-known fact" that President Franklin D. Roosevelt got us out of the Great Depression of the 1930s. That view was never pervasive among economists, and even J.M. Keynes -- a liberal icon -- criticized some of FDR's policies as hindering recovery from the depression.
In "FDR's Folly," author Jim Powell argues persuasively that the policies of the Roosevelt administration actually prolonged the depression and made things worse:
  • It tried to raise farm prices by destroying vast amounts of produce -- at a time when hunger was a serious problem in the United States.
  • It imposed minimum wage rates that priced unskilled labor out of jobs, at a time of massive unemployment.
  • Then there were the monetary authorities contracting the money supply in the midst of the biggest depression in history -- when the economy was showing some signs of revival, until their monetary contraction touched off another big downturn.
Perhaps worse than any specific policy under FDR was the atmosphere of uncertainty generated by incessant new experiments. ......
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http://mises.org/daily/5580/Lincoln-...erican-Caesars

"....Americans will never reclaim the dream of their Founders if presidents like Lincoln and Roosevelt are held up as examples of "great" presidents. We must impeach those presidents who ignore that the Constitution grants the war-making power exclusively to Congress, and certainly impeach those who mislead Congress into a declaration of war with false information......"

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http://mises.org/daily/4462

"......The modern tendency to micromanage even affairs that clearly belong to the care of civil society, to refer even the most trivial issues to the discretion of the executive, with the implicit presumption against the ability of individuals and intermediate bodies to manage their affairs, also finds substantial precedent in the Roosevelt administration. The classic example occurred in 1905 when Theodore Roosevelt assembled athletic personnel from Harvard, Princeton, and Yale at the White House to reform the rules of college football to make the game safer. The 1903 season had witnessed several dozen deaths from excessively rough play. Roosevelt's small convocation was a minor incident, to be sure, but it was the first step in a long series by which the presidency would assume an aggressive and visible presence in the life of the nation, and by which the American people would grow accustomed to entrusting to the person of the executive even the most trivial aspects of everyday affairs.////"

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Old 01-02-2012, 12:16 AM
 
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Default Yeah, right.

If you raise the cost of labor, you end up with fewer jobs.

If you raise the cost of goods, you sell and produce less.

If you slather on unneeded regulations, you get less production, less jobs, and lower national income.

If you demonize business, you choke off capital investment and that hurts the economy.

FDR did all four, exacerbating the downturn and extending the depression. Read all about it:

http://www.amazon.com/dp/0060936428/...l_38etm98yfv_b
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Old 01-02-2012, 12:43 AM
 
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I don't think it ever did. Likewise I don't think FDR was that great a president.
His body wasn't even cold before the congress amended the constitution
to limit the POTUS to two terms. They were afraid FDR wanted to become
a dictator.

did you also notice that the scotus told fdr that social security was unconstitutional until fdr threatened to load the scotus up with his socialist cronies.
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Old 01-02-2012, 12:52 AM
 
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"sure collapse"???

Save the propaganda.

When did unemployment decline under Roosevelt?


Roosevelt was president at a time in which Communism was seen as a viable alternative to regulated Capitalism. As in the adolescent Communist states of the time, the wild claims his administration made about the ability of government to deliver for the masses went unchallenged. No one knew at the time how thoroughly Communism would fail in the decades to come, so FDR, likewise, got the benefit of the doubt when his rosy predictions failed to materialize.


A decade spent flirting with collectivism accomplished nothing.


“We are spending more than we have ever spent before and it does not work. . . . We have never made good on our promises. . . . I say after eight years of this Administration we have just as much unemployment as when we started. . . . And an enormous debt to boot!”

- Treasury Secretary Henry Morgenthau
No matter how you try to spin it, there is no denying the fact that FDR rescued America from economic implosion under the Great Depression. Roosevelt set in place an economy that lead to decades of economic growth after he left office. This starkly contrast to Reagan who left the country close to bankrupt with skyrocketing debt by the end of his second term.

FDR was the singular force that restored America's greatness after the Depression and made us a Superpower by giving us a nuclear detterent. No amount of right wing talking points can change the facts of history. Sorry to disappoint you.

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I don't think it ever did. Likewise I don't think FDR was that great a president.
His body wasn't even cold before the congress amended the constitution
to limit the POTUS to two terms. They were afraid FDR wanted to become
a dictator.
No, they were afraid he was too popular with the public and would continue winning elections. He loved his country and his country loved him. I reckon if he was younger and up to it, America would have elected him to at least two more terms in office.
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Old 01-02-2012, 01:00 AM
 
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If you raise the cost of labor, you end up with fewer jobs.

If you raise the cost of goods, you sell and produce less.

If you slather on unneeded regulations, you get less production, less jobs, and lower national income.

If you demonize business, you choke off capital investment and that hurts the economy.

FDR did all four, exacerbating the downturn and extending the depression. Read all about it:

Amazon.com: The Forgotten Man: A New History of the Great Depression (9780060936426): Amity Shlaes: Books

America's GNP increased by 36% over the tenure of FDR's terms in office. The DOW increased by 150% from what it was when he first took office.

FDR’s average growth of the GDP was 5.2 percent during the Depression... greater than Reagan’s 3.7 percent during his seven best years.

Curtesy:
FDR

If you call that a failure then Reagan was a disaster.
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Old 01-02-2012, 01:08 AM
 
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Yeah and FDR interned US citizens just like the guy you lefties think is the second best president Obama appears on his way to doing too. Not to mention he tried to stack the supreme court in his favor to get his new deal nonsense passed. There were seven decisions that ruled parts of the new deal unconstitutional. Why would the greatest president of all time have to load up the supreme court? Maybe he was the biggest tyrant ever.
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