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View Poll Results: should MLK day be a holiday
yes 114 56.44%
no 73 36.14%
yes but only because I get the day off 15 7.43%
Voters: 202. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 01-13-2012, 07:34 PM
 
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Speak for yourself. YOU'RE not, obviously. But many others are.
I am speaking for myself, I know for a fact that while I do work my ass off many of my fellow Americans aren't. We've got a lot of lazy, entitlement lifestyle people in this country who are lazy and wouldn't work their asses off if their lives depended on it.
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Old 01-13-2012, 07:37 PM
 
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Backspace, I agree, but wish I could argue against the valid point you just made. Many work hard, but many are lazy.
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Old 01-13-2012, 07:40 PM
 
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I am speaking for myself, I know for a fact that while I do work my ass off many of my fellow Americans aren't. We've got a lot of lazy, entitlement lifestyle people in this country who are lazy and wouldn't work their asses off if their lives depended on it.
Whatever dude.

In any case, you're not busting your hump anymore than the next man. I wouldn't hurt my arm patting myself on the back if i were you.

And i certainly wouldn't brag about how hard i work, as if that's something so wonderful. To hell with that. I'd much rather brag when i DON'T have to work so hard.
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Old 01-13-2012, 07:41 PM
 
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They will close more than you realize, and the sad fact is, many of the cuts are avoidable. The employees , in most cases, never recover.

As one who is involved in the decisions, but who also dislikes seeing large job losses, i prefer to see sane wage and benefit levels that allow sustainable corp profits as well as good jobs.

In a typical 200-250 employee manufacturing site, the value added lost on a holiday will often exceed $50k. That's not chump change. That will most likely require several hundred thousand in additional sales just to pay off the $50k cost incurred.
Fine.

Let's go the sweatshop route. That's just what we need.
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Old 01-13-2012, 07:43 PM
 
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No we need a happy medium, which we have. It is not as if we do not have tons of time off. Between typically 11 holidays plus a minimum of 2 weeks vacation (and often 3-4), we are already looking at over one months worth of Paid Time Off annually.

The sweatshop comment is insidious to those of the early 20th century who truly endured those conditions.
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Old 01-13-2012, 07:44 PM
 
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Whatever dude.

In any case, you're not busting your hump anymore than the next man.
I wouldn't hurt my arm patting myself on the back if i were you.

And i certainly wouldn't brag about how hard i work, as if that's something so wonderful. To hell with that. I'd much rather brag when i DON'T have to work so hard.
Chances are, yes I am. I'm not bragging and I'm not patting myself on the back, I'm simple stating a fact. Hell I have lazy ass friends that don't understand why I work so hard, we all do.
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Old 01-13-2012, 07:46 PM
 
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Amen, backspace, when one would brag about not having to work, one is exposing a less than solid work ethic. I suspect he does something he hates..boo hoo.

This country was built up from work. Now millions view it as a dirty word.
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Old 01-13-2012, 08:46 PM
 
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Amen, backspace, when one would brag about not having to work, one is exposing a less than solid work ethic. I suspect he does something he hates..boo hoo.

This country was built up from work. Now millions view it as a dirty word.
A lot of people have no idea what a work ethic even is, those are the same people who generally believe that simply stating that you work means you're patting yourself on the back and bragging.
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Old 01-13-2012, 09:27 PM
 
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Well he was a womanizer and he believed in communism...more than 1 piece of information supports this...I am sure we will find out more come the time when they FBI releases his file to the public...I believe that's within the next 15 or so years...
Now we are starting to get tin foil on my head guy. Dude has been for over 40 years, but the FBI has been holding files all this time. You have got to do better than that.
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Old 01-13-2012, 10:32 PM
 
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Wrong. King galvanized the movement as no other before or sense, including A. Phillip Randolf.



A movement which hit an insurmountable road block in 1877 which led to a reversal of Civil Rights and the implementation of Jim Crow.



Malcolm was hardly a "civil rights" leader and claiming that he died for the cause as opposed to the ugly truth that he was killed by the Nation of Islam. Now Malcolm raised Black consciousness like no other since W.E.B Dubois but to claim that he was a leader of the Civil Rights movement is a stretch. Now if you had mentioned Edgar Evers I might have a little bit more respect for your opinion.



Again your history is more than a bit off the mark. In the 1950's the U.S. government had pretty much destroyed the Communist Party, William L. Patterson, Ben Davis, Henry Winston, Robeson and for that matter Dubois himself had been rendered utterly neutralized during the 50's Red scare.
Where is the proof of that? We all know that the NOI is a hated religion. I am still trying to figure out what reason did the NOI have to kill Malcolm X?
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