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We're currently seeing the lowest level of violent crime in about 40 years.
So perhaps there was less violent crime in the 50's. But the 50's are still falsely assumed to have been this idyllic time when they really weren't. Economically, it was a great time. Socially, not so much.
Even if we all agreed that the period from 1950-1959 was the best time in American history, it would be impossible to replicate.
We're currently seeing the lowest level of violent crime in about 40 years.
Yes I know the trends.
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Originally Posted by afoigrokerkok
So perhaps there was less violent crime in the 50's. But the 50's are still falsely assumed to have been this idyllic time when they really weren't. Economically, it was a great time. Socially, not so much.
Even if we all agreed that the period from 1950-1959 was the best time in American history, it would be impossible to replicate.
Well define "socially" because I think in some areas we've vastly improved and in some the opposite. As far as replication goes, no, we would not, which is what I keep telling people when they try to reference the 50s in their arguments, although those discussions are usually economic.
Btw look up James Q Wilson about the crime trends, he has some interesting stuff to say.
We're currently seeing the lowest level of violent crime in about 40 years.
So perhaps there was less violent crime in the 50's. But the 50's are still falsely assumed to have been this idyllic time when they really weren't. Economically, it was a great time. Socially, not so much.
Even if we all agreed that the period from 1950-1959 was the best time in American history, it would be impossible to replicate.
I think I read somewhere that our crime rates are at about the same as they were in 1960--50 years ago.
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The left "won" this argument with Roe v.Wade. By killing them before they're born, we'll end poverty. Worked well, huh?
Of all the arguments that disgust me from the left, that tops the list.
And what disgusts me is the right's emphasis on saving the fetus but once the child's on its own, let the mother and the child sink or swim--starve if necessary. You guy may not advocate that outright, but the result of some of your policies will result in that.
Simply being against abortion doesn't make you "pro-life." BTW, I am a pro-life Christian who thinks Roe v. Wade was a horrible decision. I do part with the left on that issue.
Well define "socially" because I think in some areas we've vastly improved and in some the opposite. As far as replication goes, no, we would not, which is what I keep telling people when they try to reference the 50s in their arguments, although those discussions are usually economic.
Yes. I have participated in these discussions before as well. They have to do with manufacturing jobs primarily.
The economic and social situations of the 50's were dependent on one another actually.
When discussing social issues, I mean things like women not working and their husbands being in charge of them, few children being raised in single parent homes, drug and crime problems not being so rampant, and gays seeming to not exist.
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Btw look up James Q Wilson about the crime trends, he has some interesting stuff to say.
I will. Thanks.
Last edited by afoigrokerkok; 01-15-2012 at 10:27 AM..
The left "won" this argument with Roe v.Wade. By killing them before they're born, we'll end poverty. Worked well, huh?
Of all the arguments that disgust me from the left, that tops the list.
You should look up the Roe effect.
I am certainly not on the "left." I do not like abortion but, to some degree, I think its the lesser of two evils in many cases.
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