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Old 01-21-2012, 05:45 PM
 
Location: The Magnolia City
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I kind of doubt any child of gay or lesbian parents would ever say "I don't agree with the "gay lifestyle", because they would know that there is no such thing as the "gay lifestyle".

Perhaps if they had a brain injury and their pre-frontal cortex was damaged? Or became brainwashed by some uber-conservative religious sect and suppressed their critical thinking skills? Who knows?
I don't think it's that far fetched, and whether or not you feel disagreeing with homosexuality is a character flaw is neither here nor there.

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Old 01-21-2012, 05:50 PM
 
Location: Unperson Everyman Land
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"Gay parents 'tend to be more motivated, more committed than heterosexual parents on average, because they chose to be parents,' said Abbie Goldberg, a psychologist at Clark University in Massachusetts who researches gay and lesbian parenting. Gays and lesbians rarely become parents by accident, compared with an almost 50 percent accidental pregnancy rate among heterosexuals, Goldberg said. 'That translates to greater commitment on average and more involvement.'""

Why Gay Parents May Be the Best Parents - Yahoo! News

"said Abbie Goldberg"

Laadiee-freeakin-dah!

I'll be sure to add Abbie Goldberg's opinions to the long list of **** I couldn't care less about.

Maybe Abbie should take note of the significance of biological bonding.


"Gays and lesbians rarely become parents by accident"
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Old 01-21-2012, 05:57 PM
 
Location: In Your Head
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"Gay parents 'tend to be more motivated, more committed than heterosexual parents on average, because they chose to be parents,' said Abbie Goldberg, a psychologist at Clark University in Massachusetts who researches gay and lesbian parenting. Gays and lesbians rarely become parents by accident, compared with an almost 50 percent accidental pregnancy rate among heterosexuals, Goldberg said. 'That translates to greater commitment on average and more involvement.'""

Why Gay Parents May Be the Best Parents - Yahoo! News
The research is BS, they should have only compared it to heterosexual couples who choose to become parents.

What's the accidental pregnancy rate among gay couples? Anyone?
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Old 01-21-2012, 06:11 PM
 
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I don't think it's that far fetched, and whether or not you feel disagreeing with homosexuality is a character flaw or neither here nor there.
Well if you don't think it's far-fetched that children of gay and lesbian parents would actually use the ignorant term "gay lifestyle", then I doubt you know many gay or lesbian parents or chidren raised by them. Or have read the studies about children raised by gay and lesbian parents.

Or even know what homosexuality actually IS, for that matter.

How does one actually 'disagree' with homosexuality?

It exists. Homosexual people exist. I can understand you might say you don't like the fact that homosexual people exist. Or you might reduce the whole lives of gays and lesbains down to just particular 'sex-acts' which you don't like (which heterosexuals also engage in). But how does one disagree with the fact that homosexuals or homosexuality exist?

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Old 01-21-2012, 06:12 PM
 
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The research is BS, they should have only compared it to heterosexual couples who choose to become parents.

What's the accidental pregnancy rate among gay couples? Anyone?
Says someone who hasn't even read the article or the study itself or ANY research?

http://www.apa.org/pi/lgbt/resources/parenting-full.pdf

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Old 01-21-2012, 06:43 PM
 
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Are over 150,000 Psychologists who are members of the American Psychological Association 'crackpots'?

Or over 60,000 pediatricians from the American Academy of Pediatrics?

From the American Academy of Pediatrics:

A growing body of scientific literature demonstrates that children who grow up with 1 or 2 gay and/or lesbian parents fare as well in emotional, cognitive, social, and sexual functioning as do children whose parents are heterosexual. Children’s optimal development seems to be influenced more by the nature of the relationships and interactions within the family unit than by the particular structural form it takes.


From the American Psychological Association - Amicus Briefs on Gay and Lesbian Parenting.

Overall, the belief that children of lesbian and gay parents suffer deficits in personal development has no empirical foundation.
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The results of some studies suggest that lesbian mothers' and gay fathers' parenting skills may be superior to those of matched heterosexual couples. For instance, Flaks, Fischer, Masterpasqua, and Joseph (1995) reported that lesbian couples' parenting awareness skills were stronger than those of heterosexual couples. This was attributed to greater parenting awareness among lesbian nonbiological mothers than among heterosexual fathers. In one study, Brewaeys and her colleagues (1997) likewise reported more favorable patterns of parent-child interaction among lesbian as compared to heterosexual parents, but in another, they found greater similarities (Vanfraussen, Ponjaert-Kristoffersen, & Brewaeys, 2003).



Which APA?

...the one which classified homosexuality was a mental disorder or the APA which did a 180 following protests by gay activists?

I can respect anyone's opinion except when they completely change their position because of political pressure.
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Old 01-21-2012, 06:44 PM
 
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You can find a crackpot psychologist to say anything that supports your agenda, regardless of what that agenda is. You could find one to say that children would be better off being raised by wolves than loving parents. (Straight or Gay) There are good parents and bad parents in every group. The main problem is there are too many "parents" that are being their childrens "friends" instead of being a parent.
I'm a crackpot and even I find that study far-fetched.
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Old 01-21-2012, 06:59 PM
 
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From the US National Longitudinal Lesbian Family Study: a 24 year longitudinal study of children of lesbian parents published in Pediatrics - The Official Journal of the American Academy of Pediatrics.

"...the 17-year-old daughters and sons of lesbian mothers were rated significantly higher in social, school/academic, and total competence and significantly lower in social problems, rule-breaking, aggressive, and externalizing problem behavior than their age-matched counterparts in Achenbach's normative sample of American youth."

Additionally, no adolescents had reported being sexually or physically abused by their parents. This compares to 26% of American adolescents overall who report parent or caregiver physical abuse. 8.3% report sexual abuse.




"According to their mothers’ reports, the 17-year-old daughters and sons of lesbian mothers were rated significantly higher in social, school/academic, and total competence and significantly lower in social problems, rule-breaking, aggressive, and externalizing problem behavior than their age-matched counterparts in Achenbach’s normative sample of American youth."

http://pediatrics.aappublications.org/content/126/1/28.full.

What were you expecting the lesbians mothers who volunteered for the study to say?

"I molested my retarded kid because he got busted shoplifting"
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Old 01-21-2012, 07:14 PM
 
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Which APA?

...the one which classified homosexuality was a mental disorder or the APA which did a 180 following protests by gay activists?

I can respect anyone's opinion except when they completely change their position because of political pressure.
So you aren't even aware that The American Association of Psychiatrists (APA) and the American Psychological Association(APA) are TWO different organizations? And you expect your opinions to be taken seriously?

The APA (that's the American Association of Psychiatrists) did not' change their position' just because of political pressure. The board of the APA reviewed the empirical data because of protests within the APA by the younger generation of psychiatrists who used evidence based approaches, as well as protests by "pro-gay" activists both straight and gay.

When the review of the empirical data showed that there was no pathology to categorize homosexuality as a mental disorder, the board removed it. A contingent of conservative old-school psychoanalysts protested and forced a 'vote'. Because of this 'vote', "Ego-dystonic homosexuality" was left in until the 80's and DSM-III, when that was removed as well.

In 1973, Gay people were still being subjected to bizarre non-evidence based experimental, harmful and completely ineffective 'cures' like castration, lobotomies, electroshock therapy, chemical castration, aversion therapy etc by some of these old psychoanalyst quacks who had been ignoring actual research since the 40's and 50's. Of course there were protests to get the board to review the evidence and remove it from the DSM. Especially when there was already more than 20 years of research to show that homosexuality had no pathology to be classed as a mental disorder which needed to be 'cured'.

Why would you expect anyone to 'respect' your uneducated prejudiced opinions? Especially your revisionist ideas about how homosexuality came to be removed from the DSM-II. LOL!
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Old 01-21-2012, 07:23 PM
 
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"According to their mothers’ reports, the 17-year-old daughters and sons of lesbian mothers were rated significantly higher in social, school/academic, and total competence and significantly lower in social problems, rule-breaking, aggressive, and externalizing problem behavior than their age-matched counterparts in Achenbach’s normative sample of American youth."

http://pediatrics.aappublications.org/content/126/1/28.full.

What were you expecting the lesbians mothers who volunteered for the study to say?

"I molested my retarded kid because he got busted shoplifting"
How about you read the whole study and the methodology?

The children were also interviewed.
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