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Old 05-23-2021, 09:53 AM
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Location: Where my bills arrive
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Am I only one that realizes this article is from 2012 "Published January 28, 2012"
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Old 05-23-2021, 09:56 AM
 
Location: Del Rio, TN
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The last 'car' initiative lead to automobile inflation. Cash for clunkers. Took enough used cars off the market that they increased the price which lead to many just buying or LEASING new. It's then that people really seem to jump on the leasing band wagon. The current chip shortage and emmission mandates will do the same in California. Isn't California one of the states that 'taxes' car like a house-assessed value?
And of course further impoverished the "poor"-who were priced out of the used car market. The left claim to want to help the poor, but are too stupid to realize that their policies aimed at punishing the Middle Class also harm the poor.
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Old 05-23-2021, 10:05 AM
 
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How Single-Family Garages Can Ease California's Housing Crisis

In Los Angeles County, home to the country’s greatest number of unsheltered homeless people, more than 15,000 individuals live in cars, vans, and mobile homes.

The article calls for the widespread conversion of single family garages. Converted garages can house boomerang children, grandparents, caretakers, guests, or friends. Or they can generate rental income to make home ownership more affordable.

So in addition to the 17 million renters in California who will be fighting tooth and nail to keep their EVs charged in public charge points which may charge triple the electric rates of homeowners, people are being asked to turn their garages into micro apartments.

The problem of manufacturing an affordable battery operated electric vehicle in 14 years pales in comparison to the infrastructure problem.
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Old 05-24-2021, 08:55 AM
 
Location: A Nation Possessed
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Remember when they said we would be forced to buy new lightbulbs? Where did all that anger go?
I can still buy all three "types" of bulbs at the store. I still have that choice.

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so... a $14,000 gas car still exist and is being sold?
Yes. Yes it does. Unless of course, you feel like you need to buy a Greyhound bus or eighteen wheeler for your daily driving needs.

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And of course further impoverished the "poor"-who were priced out of the used car market. The left claim to want to help the poor, but are too stupid to realize that their policies aimed at punishing the Middle Class also harm the poor.
The policies of the left ALWAYS screw the poor. If not directly, it puts them into a position of dependency and no hope of rising above the poverty and dependence. The left is perfectly content if the poor live in squalor smoking crack in the ghettos. As long as they don't rise up against the leftist elites.
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Old 05-24-2021, 09:13 AM
 
Location: Knoxville, TN
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You always have to force people into socialism.
The sad reality is that you don't. Far too many people embrace socialism because they are ignorant to what it really is and what it really leads to. They are fed a utopian dream. They don't realize that full boat socialism does lead to equality with everyone equally miserable, oppressed, and deprived.

It is very easy to vote yourself into a socialist nation. It is impossible to vote yourself out of one, as your new overlords don't allow you that freedom.
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Old 05-24-2021, 09:15 AM
 
Location: South of Heaven
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The last 'car' initiative lead to automobile inflation. Cash for clunkers. Took enough used cars off the market that they increased the price which lead to many just buying or LEASING new. It's then that people really seem to jump on the leasing band wagon. The current chip shortage and emmission mandates will do the same in California. Isn't California one of the states that 'taxes' car like a house-assessed value?
You'll own nothing. And you'll be happy.

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Old 05-24-2021, 10:16 AM
 
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The sad reality is that you don't. Far too many people embrace socialism because they are ignorant to what it really is and what it really leads to. They are fed a utopian dream. They don't realize that full boat socialism does lead to equality with everyone equally miserable, oppressed, and deprived.

It is very easy to vote yourself into a socialist nation. It is impossible to vote yourself out of one, as your new overlords don't allow you that freedom.
You are probably right.

A more accurate assessment would be that you have to force them to STAY!
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Old 05-24-2021, 10:22 AM
 
Location: Wisconsin
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"Seeking to influence other states and Washington, California air regulators passed sweeping auto emission standards Friday that include a mandate to have 1.4 million electric and hybrid vehicles on state roads by 2025.
The California Air Resources Board unanimously approved the new rules that require that one in seven of the new cars sold in the state in 2025 be an electric or other zero-emission vehicle.
The plan also mandates a 75 percent reduction in smog-forming pollutants by 2025, and a 50 percent reduction in greenhouse gas emissions from today's standards."


Read more: California Passes Sweeping Auto Emission Standards | Fox News


So how are they going to force every seventh shopper to buy an electric car???
Will they be adding new, reliable, dependable, sustainable electrical power to the grid? Will they be installing electrical charging stations in the rest stops along highways and government facilities? Will private businesses and places of employment be installing charging stations?

What good is it to mandate electric cars if the electrical grid cannot support them, or if there are not sufficient charging stations for people to recharge their vehicles when away from home?

Not to mention, what happens when the power grid fails and people cannot charge their vehicles? How do people go to work, or purchase essentials, if their car cannot be charged due to power outages?
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Old 05-24-2021, 10:29 AM
 
Location: Wisconsin
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For starters that article was written nine years ago, and it was far too pessimistic. Since this article was written Toyota/Lexus has expanded their hybrid lineup from the single model, the Prius, to 16 models. There are already over 1.4 million hybrid vehicles in CA at the end of 2020.

California at the end of 2020
1,155,477 gasoline hybrid vehicles (the Prius in California sells at roughly 250% of the national rate)
259,109 plug-in hybrid electric vehicles
1,414,586 hybrid vehicles
...
7,129 fuel cell vehicles
369,364 battery electric vehicles (82% can drive over 200 miles on single charge)
376,493 zero emission vehicles (ZEV)

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Great, so we have a lot of electric cars to choose from.

People with the money to do so, are buying these electric vehicles and they can afford to pay an electrician to install a proper charging station. But what about the poor, or people living in apartment complexes, how do they charge their cars after coming home from work, or a day of shopping?

Also, how do people charge their cars when away from home, whether they are just going to work, or going on a long road trip?
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Old 05-24-2021, 10:38 AM
 
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I'm not driving EV even if it's given me for free.
Heck, I'm not driving it even if I'll be paid for that.

For the same reason that you don't bring roses to a gunfight and you don't bring gun to a date. It's inconvenient and stupid.
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