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Old 02-02-2012, 06:29 AM
 
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Woman wins small-claims suit over Honda Civic Hybrid - Yahoo! Autos

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A Los Angeles Superior Court commissioner has awarded Heather Peters $9,867.

Peters opted out of a class-action lawsuit so she could try to claim a higher payment for the failure of her Civic to deliver the 50 miles per gallon (21.26 kilometers per liter) that was promised when she bought it.
Informed of the decision by The Associated Press, Peters exulted, "Wow! Fantastic."
Since none of the hybrids live up to their government mandated and ginned up claims,will owners of GM Volts follow suit? (as a taxpayer they'd be suing themselves)

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Old 02-02-2012, 07:07 AM
 
Location: Central Maine
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I think it's great that a person can sue a large corporation in small claims court, and win. Perhaps we'll see more of this in the future?

Re: this specific case ... the EPA estimate (http://www.fueleconomy.gov/***/noframes/22643.shtml - broken link) for a 2006 Honda Civic hybrid is 40 mpg city, 45 mpg highway, and 42 mpg combined. This person sued Honda because she was told the car would get 50 mpg. Was it the dealer that told her that? If so, shouldn't the dealer have been sued, and not Honda?

Of course, the EPA estimate is just that - an estimate. As explained in the EPA FAQ on the estimate vs. the actual mileage (http://www.fueleconomy.gov/***/why_differ.shtml - broken link) you may get:

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... the EPA ratings are a useful tool for comparing the fuel economies of different vehicles but may not accurately predict the average MPG you will get.
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Old 02-02-2012, 07:13 AM
 
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I think it's great that a person can sue a large corporation in small claims court, and win. Perhaps we'll see more of this in the future?

Re: this specific case ... the EPA estimate (http://www.fueleconomy.gov/***/noframes/22643.shtml - broken link) for a 2006 Honda Civic hybrid is 40 mpg city, 45 mpg highway, and 42 mpg combined. This person sued Honda because she was told the car would get 50 mpg. Was it the dealer that told her that? If so, shouldn't the dealer have been sued, and not Honda?

Of course, the EPA estimate is just that - an estimate. As explained in the EPA FAQ on the estimate vs. the actual mileage (http://www.fueleconomy.gov/***/why_differ.shtml - broken link) you may get:

I agree. How many fat old bald guys buy Corvettes because the salesman says it will help them score with loose women?
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Old 02-02-2012, 07:15 AM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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I agree. How many fat old bald guys buy Corvettes because the salesman says it will help them score with loose women?
That is so true. I told my son that years ago and he's come back to tell me that it's true.
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Old 02-02-2012, 07:22 AM
 
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A Honda technical expert who testified at an earlier hearing said the company was required by federal law to post the sticker estimating the highest mileage the car could get. But he said the mileage varied on how the car was driven. The company said Peters was not deceived
Truth in advertising doesn't apply to government mandates?
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Old 02-02-2012, 07:23 AM
 
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Woman wins small-claims suit over Honda Civic Hybrid - Yahoo! Autos



Since none of the hybrids live up to their government mandated and ginned up claims,will owners of GM Volts follow suit? (as a taxpayer they'd be suing themselves)
This disgusts me, to be honest. She doesn't deserve a payout. She was not misled. She was misguided by her own ignorance. More importantly, all this does is portray women as being stupid and easily duped. How many women are duped by auto dealers and auto mechanics every single day? There's nothing that can be done about it because it's not quantifiable. But it happens, and it's no secret. So the responsible thing to do is take a competent person with her to help her sort things out. Someone who knows cars and can explain in a non-biased way instead of relying on a SALES person. That's just being a good consumer and applying due diligence.

This woman makes me sick.
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Old 02-02-2012, 07:24 AM
 
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Once upon a time, there was a brand of sneakers called P.F. Flyers. Their commercials claimed that they'd let you "run faster and jump higher." A woman in the Philadelphia area bought a pair for her son (who happened to be athletically challenged) and guess what? The sneakers didn't help him at all. So she sued the company, insisting that they stop making false claims. She won her case, and P.F. Flyers soon disappeared from shelves all across the country.

Honda is no different. Everyone should initiate lawsuits against false claims. Eventually, the manufacturers would discover a heretofore unknown concept called "truth."
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Old 02-02-2012, 07:25 AM
 
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This disgusts me, to be honest. She doesn't deserve a payout. She was not misled. She was was misguided by her on devices. All this does is portray women as being stupid and easily duped. How many women are duped by auto dealers and auto mechanics every single day? There's nothing that can be done about it because it's not quantifiable. So the responsible thing to do is take a competent person with her to help her sort things out. That's just being a good consumer and applying due diligence.

This woman makes me sick.
So you are good with false claims because the government ok's/mandates them?
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Old 02-02-2012, 07:27 AM
 
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I agree. How many fat old bald guys buy Corvettes because the salesman says it will help them score with loose women?
I once rented an apartment from a 30-something female and over time became friends with her and her friends. A running joke within their circle was to "avoid men in Corvette's at all costs." Apparently, there's a certain type of man who buys a Corvette, and at least according to these women, they're all the same: undesirable.
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Old 02-02-2012, 07:27 AM
 
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This disgusts me, to be honest. She doesn't deserve a payout. She was not misled. She was misguided by her own ignorance. More importantly, all this does is portray women as being stupid and easily duped. How many women are duped by auto dealers and auto mechanics every single day? There's nothing that can be done about it because it's not quantifiable. But it happens, and it's no secret. So the responsible thing to do is take a competent person with her to help her sort things out. Someone who knows cars and can explain in a non-biased way instead of relying on a SALES person. That's just being a good consumer and applying due diligence.

This woman makes me sick.
"Honda's proposed class-action settlement would give aggrieved owners $100 to $200 each and a $1,000 credit toward the purchase of a new car. Legal fees in the class action case would give trial lawyers $8.5 million, Peters said"

It's pretty obvious Honda was falsifying information to gain sales, and they have every right to be sued.
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