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Old 02-04-2012, 10:55 PM
 
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if i am not mistake france has had a policy of nothing of a religious connotation is allowed in the public school system - this includes head wear, jewelry and what ever else comes along - if you cant abide by the rules and policies of the country your living in then move - no one is forcing anyone to live anywhere -
to me it just shows how the muslim people are never going to assimilate - how they want to bring their culture to other countries and want those people to assimilate to their culture - the recent honor killings in canada attest to that - as well as the news they want a certain area in the uk to be under sharia law and anyone walking through that area even non-muslims must abide by sharia law - i believe that article about sharia law and the uk was published on cnn if anyone is interested
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Old 02-04-2012, 10:58 PM
 
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Don't underestimate the French. They got rid of an absolute monarchy in three years, and we haven't been able to get rid of the neocons in 10 years

There will be a line of wine on the ground. Try to take the wine away from the French and it will be 1789 all over again.
The Muslims are entrenched though. They aren't going anywhere. It's all a part of their plan. They used the western worlds liberal fad of the 80s and 90s against us and we are going to have to pay.

The Germans wised up pretty quick and stopped the flow in, but Great Britain and France are absolutely being overrun. Their cultures are in real danger. The most common name given to a new baby in Britain last year was "David" The second most common? "Mohammed"

This is what they do, they move in and then the multiply. It's right in the Koran.
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Old 02-04-2012, 11:10 PM
 
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Thier country, thier rules. Muslims try and "push" everything toward thier culture. If the French don't want head scarves, thats thier right.
I agree that they can do whatever they want and I like France a lot actually, very cool place to be, I always scratch my head when Americans try to act like we have a problem with their culture. However, look at Italy and Berlusconi, do you know what he said about the refugees coming into his country? He made it about ethnicity and skin color, I didn't think that was appropriate regardless of whose country it is. I feel that Sarkozy is just as bad as he went on what looked like a witch hunt to rid France of what was probably seen as a blemish on their society. Once again, I love France, always have, but I think that intolerance can show bigotry.

I do feel that assimilization is desireable, but there seem to be more to this than that. This had been going on for a while in France.
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Old 02-05-2012, 07:34 AM
 
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The Muslims are entrenched though. They aren't going anywhere. It's all a part of their plan. They used the western worlds liberal fad of the 80s and 90s against us and we are going to have to pay.

The Germans wised up pretty quick and stopped the flow in, but Great Britain and France are absolutely being overrun. Their cultures are in real danger. The most common name given to a new baby in Britain last year was "David" The second most common? "Mohammed"

This is what they do, they move in and then the multiply. It's right in the Koran.
Yes and when the numbers are high enough, the slaughter begins. The Koran also instructs them to kill Jews and Christians, slay the infidels where ever they find them.
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Old 02-05-2012, 08:23 AM
 
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Yes and when the numbers are high enough, the slaughter begins. The Koran also instructs them to kill Jews and Christians, slay the infidels where ever they find them.
Guess what? Most Muslims overlook those particular Qur'anic verses, just like most Christians overlook the Biblical verses that condone rape and slavery.
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Old 02-05-2012, 08:26 AM
 
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Have any of you been to France recently? Germany? Heck Europe within the past 3 years? Some parts of Europe are being absolutely overrun with Muslim populations. Muslim cultures simply does NOT mix with Christian and Western ideology. I was walking down the Champs Elysees this past summer and felt like I was walking around in Saudi Arabia. If you think the US has it bad with illegal immigration, think again. Europe has 10x the problem we do. Unlike South and Central American illegals that come here, who have many of the same religious and Western culture similarities we do, the illegal immigrants in Europe have completely different religions than Christianity, attitudes towards women, and western civilization in general.

Multiculturalism is an utter failure, especially in Europe, and anyone who thinks you can mix clashing cultures and people from East and West and expect them to live happily ever after is living in a fairy tale land.
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Old 02-05-2012, 09:14 AM
 
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Quite some time ago I remember reading an article about Muslim girls who were attending public school in France. Some of these girls refused to wear the headscarf, which was met not only by taunting by fundamentalist Muslim men and boys but by acts of violence, including stoning, of the girls when they were on their way home. These young girls were often called whores by such men.

So France passed this headscarf law, banning them in public schools but also banning any ostentatious sign of religion by students, including turbans, yarmulkes, and large crosses.

In France, the concept has usually been freedom from religion rather than freedom of religion. France has also signed some agreement between nations of non discrimination regarding religion.

I watched a special on tv called 'World on Trial'. There was a bogus court case in which this law was questioned. The jury was composed mostly by students of colleges around the world.

You can watch it here, if you'd like:

World On Trial - Episode 1 - YouTube


I know my opinion, which is probably obvious, but thought this would offer an interesting point for debate. How does everyone else feel?
M feeling is that France is a sovereign nation with their own laws. They can do as they want.
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Old 02-05-2012, 01:25 PM
 
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What happens in France

Stays in France

Who cares?
Because, repeating myself here, militant Muslims tend to use religious freedom laws to push countries into conforming to their beliefs. Because Islam is not just a religion but a way of living your life and fundamentalists use that to pile restrictions and conformity on the rest of the population if they can. Because countries are fighting this. Because it could happen in communities here, if we are not careful, and because we are not just citizens of this country, but of the world, since our economies all overlap now and 'militaries' have such a far reach.

Because if you are an intelligent human being you are concerned with global issues and not just a single, myopic, view.
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Old 02-05-2012, 01:42 PM
 
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None of that will matter once France becomes a Muslim nation (and that will happen). I believe half the babies born in France now are to Muslim families.

It's just a matter of time.
Maybe this is the problem (if you see it that way) with a good social safety net.

The idea of welcoming foreigners at one time was great because they came and all wanted to assimilate.
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Old 02-05-2012, 01:47 PM
 
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if i am not mistake france has had a policy of nothing of a religious connotation is allowed in the public school system - this includes head wear, jewelry and what ever else comes along - if you cant abide by the rules and policies of the country your living in then move - no one is forcing anyone to live anywhere -

to me it just shows how the muslim people are never going to assimilate - how they want to bring their culture to other countries and want those people to assimilate to their culture -

the recent honor killings in canada attest to that -

as well as the news they want a certain area in the uk to be under sharia law and anyone walking through that area even non-muslims must abide by sharia law -

i believe that article about sharia law and the uk was published on cnn if anyone is interested
Sure. In a lot of Muslim countries they are horribly intolerant of other religions, and they bring that intolerance with them when they move into Western nations.
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