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Agreed. Like the rest of Southern California, Orange County is becoming more and more liberal with each passing year, it just lags a little behind San Diego and Los Angeles counties. In 2012 or 2016, Orange County will flip. California is not the state it was in the 1970s and 1980s.
Sorry, your analysis is so misguided. McCain defeated Obama by a 4-point margin in 2008 (in what was otherwise the best presidential election performance for Democrats since LBJ's landslide in 1964). If Dems couldn't win the county in 2008 when they had all the cards in their favor, they'll never win it.
If it's "changing" so much, then please explain to me why Meg Whitman defeated Jerry Brown by a whopping 20-point margin (57-37%) in O.C. in the 2010 CA gubernatorial election, despite losing by a whopping 13-point margin statewide?
And if it's "changing" so much as you claim, then please explain to me why Carly Fiorina defeated Barbara Boxer by a whopping 21-point margin (58-37%) in O.C. in the 2010 U.S. Senate election, despite Fiorina losing by a 10-point margin statewide?
Also, while Loretta Sanchez has indeed been elected and reelected eight times, her performace this past election (2010) was her worst since she was first elected. Meanwhile, in the same election, Orange County's five GOP congressman were all reelected by huge margins, while she squeaked by.
If anything, all three of these recent results from 2010, reinforce the reality that Orange County is one of the most heavily Republican counties in America and remains a GOP stronghold.
Oklahoma county does not vote Democratic. I lived there for a few years so I know the culture there. It was one of the few urban counties to vote for McCain in 2008. Orange county is not as conservative as it once was, but it is still moreso than Los Angeles or San Diego counties. California as a whole continues to move left and its just a matter of time before Orange county joins Los Angeles and San Diego in flipping Democratic.
Sorry, your analysis is so incorrect. McCain defeated Obama by a 4-point margin in 2008 (in what was otherwise the best presidential election performance for Democrats since LBJ's landslide in 1964). If Dems couldn't win the county in 2008 when they had all the cards in their favor, they'll never win it.
If it's "changing" so much, then please explain to me why Meg Whitman defeated Jerry Brown by a whopping 20-point margin (57-37%) in O.C. in the 2010 CA gubernatorial election, despite losing by a whopping 13-point margin statewide?
And if it's "changing" so much as you claim, then please explain to me why Carly Fiorina defeated Barbara Boxer by a whopping 21-point margin (58-37%) in O.C. in the 2010 U.S. Senate election, despite Fiorina losing by a 10-point margin statewide?
Also, while Loretta Sanchez has indeed been elected and reelected eight times, her performace this past election (2010) was her worst since she was first elected. Meanwhile, in the same election, Orange County's five GOP congressman were all reelected by huge margins, while she squeaked by.
If anything, all three of these recent results from 2010, reinforce the reality that Orange County is one of the most heavily Republican counties in America and remains a GOP stronghold.
P.S.: San Diego is also a conservative, Republican stronghold and always votes GOP. It's only elected one Democratic mayor in the past 40 years. It's current mayor is a Republican, and with only a couple exceptions, its always gone for the Republican candidates in statewide elections.
I am an ultra-conservative Neocon Republican, and I find Irvine to be, socially, very liberal and economically, centrist. (There are some socialists and some lassiez-faire social darwinists--an eclectic mix.)
To give you an idea, I think Ron Paul would do EXCELLENT in Irvine
Ron Paul is my least favourite Republican candidate due to his anti-semitism and social liberalism, but his economic policies should be much better than Obama's.
Such said, ideologically, I am also a Fascist, but not a racist. I am Fascist in the sense of Lee Kuan Yew/Alexander Hamilton, not Hitler.
Oklahoma county does not vote Democratic. I lived there for a few years so I know the culture there. It was one of the few urban counties to vote for McCain in 2008. Orange county is not as conservative as it once was, but it is still moreso than Los Angeles or San Diego counties. California as a whole continues to move left and its just a matter of time before Orange county joins Los Angeles and San Diego in flipping Democratic.
I'm not sure about that. I live in S.C. and have good friends real good who live in Mission Viego, Laguna, Newport, Anaheim Hills, Fullerton, Yorba Linda, don't mention the word D to them ever. Doubt it most the people i know of in O.C. are R's thru and thru.
Hate to say this but some O.C. people look down upon people from L.A. sorry that is just the way it is.
I know people who live in the high desert region, i mean high desert, Lacerne Valley, Apple Valley, Hisperia, etc, they too are religious R's.
People i know of personally and assocaited with thru business, who live in San Diego, Poway, Escondido, Chula Vista, are registered Republicians.
I truly feel that either a registered Democrat or Republician, believe in family values.
I happen to know one of Newport Beach's real, live Democrats. In the last election when he got his ballot the nice ladies at the table said, "Oh, YOU'RE the one. We wondered what you looked like."
Orange County continues to defy liberal stereotypes of California. An article from last June describes Orange County's robust traditionalism:
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In a state where the dynamics of marriage, family and home are shifting, Orange County remains a "vestige of tradition," as one sociologist put it.
Analysts, however, say the county's loyalty to convention is not due to a push to maintain its image as a pillar of social conservatism. Instead, they point to the bustling Latino commercial districts in Santa Ana, the Vietnamese American coffee shops in Garden Grove and the halal butchers in Anaheim — to an influx of immigrants who have imported the old-fashioned family structures of their homelands.
Orange County's ethnic enclaves are founded on religious and cultural values that include strong family ties, said Jack Bedell, a sociology professor at Cal State Fullerton. "It means 'I take in 'grandma because I want to, not because I have to,'" said Bedell ...
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Congrats to Orange County for keeping sanity alive in California!
LOL ! I don't think so !
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